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> Outrage is brewing among a growing contingent of users who post videos arguing TikTok is ruined now, and analysts say the company is jeopardizing its success.
by jjice 3y ago
> Outrage is brewing among a growing contingent of users who post videos arguing TikTok is ruined now, and analysts say the company is jeopardizing its success.
People say this about all platforms. As much as I dislike Facebook, Twitter, Pintrest, etc, they all are doing fine. The vocal minority/article bias is at play. I don't like TikTok as a platform either, but it's insanely massive and that's not going to change for a while.
- datpiff 3y ago> As much as I dislike Facebook, Twitter, Pintrest, etc, they all are doing fine. Hah, Twitter isn't exactly doing fine
- noworld 3y agoBy what measure?
- tokai 3y agoIncome, engagement, image?
- next_xibalba 3y agoWhat was their 2023 income?
- jujube3 3y agovibes on HackerNews
- thierrydamiba 3y agoI was under the impression Twitter was doing well. What makes you say this?
- iwontberude 3y agoThey were a startup, but now they are a medium sized business with website that burns cash.
- fleischhauf 3y agodoes it still burn a lot of cash? I'm not super following, but since it's x 90% of employees were let go, no9
- j4yav 3y agoPerhaps savings from payroll were offset by loan repayments.
- cma 3y agoThey let go of the advertisers too though. 8chan doesn't have a lot of employees either.
- iwontberude 3y agoassuming the horrendously low quality ads and loss in traffic, yes
- hu3 3y agoAre they still operating red? Got a source?
- RankingMember 3y agoTwitter's daily active user numbers have been in decline since the takeover. https://mashable.com/article/twitter-x-daily-active-users-drop-under-elon-musk https://mashable.com/article/twitter-x-daily-active-users-dr...
- random9749832 3y agoIt feels this way. I feel like I see the same 10 people who are talking about building and being a 10x developer but have 100k tweets and probably liked by the same 1000 accounts, 20% of them being bots.
- stronglikedan 3y agoIt's doing better than ever IMHO. Much more information due to less censorship and government interference, and the community notes keep things in check with much less bias than the "fact checkers" ever did.
- seattle_spring 3y agoYou mean the community notes that have been disabled for the CEOs account? The account that needs community notes more than any other account on Twitter?
- timeon 3y ago> less censorship and government interference This is not true. Like when they censored Turkish opposition.
- rayval 3y agoThey also censored critics of Modhi's government in India.
- marcinzm 3y agoThe delusions of Musk fanboys know no bounds. > less censorship and government interference > Twitter is complying with more government demands under Elon Musk. The company has not refused a single request since Musk took ownership, according to self-reported data. https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders/ https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... edit: Not to mention the period bans of Musk's critics.
- ethagknight 3y agoTwitter is the best its ever been in terms of capability and features
- trgn 3y agoCan't read anonymously anymore, which makes it more like facebook/instagram rather than a grassroots news site (which it used to be for a lot of people). It's a big loss I think.
- soylentcola 3y agoYeah, I used to occasionally click twit links when friends shared in chats or they were included in articles. Now I just don't bother because I either see the first of multiple posts in a "thread" or nothing at all. Much like when someone posts a link to Facebook or Instagram. You don't even need SEO chum and AI generated "content" to understand why search engines suck so badly nowadays. The discussions that used to happen on (indexable) forums, blogs, and comments have largely moved behind pay- or login-walls. The fact that so many people resort to appending "reddit" isn't so much a testament to the quality of reddit so much as it's a result of that being one of the few large, centralized platforms that could still be indexed.
- timeon 3y ago> Much like when someone posts a link to Facebook or Instagram. You get ugly amount of pop-ups there but at least the content will load.
- soylentcola 3y agoFor me Facebook is hit-or-miss. If the post is public (say, a venue posting about an event) I can typically read the main post, but can't click on anything. If I'm on mobile, it tries to redirect me to install an app. Usually harder to see much. Instagram just shows me a Meta logo or a blank page. Not sure how much this is due to ad-blocking though, and not particularly inclined to disable it to find out. Mostly I just don't click and I ask the friend/whoever to summarize or send a screenshot if it's something I care about. For generic "hey look at this funny post" stuff I just skip it. Sucks, because links from friends should be fun or useful. It's kinda nuts how many don't work unless you are logged into something snoopy/sketchy.
- xhkkffbf 3y agoWorks fine when I log on. At the beginning of the Musk era, everyone said the technology would fail. That hasn't been my experience. Plenty of tweets appear when I go to the site. Now you might argue that the social networks are failing. There are definitely some people who I don't see any more. But really, there are discussion and I can read them when I want.
- bonzini 3y agoIt may be my bubble, but so many of my followed accounts have left, or stooped using it mostly, that my timeline is almost entirely US politics[1] and meme videos [1] I am not even American
- cma 3y agoNow that discussions are ranked by pay, when you read a tweet thread it seems to be just all onlyfans promotion quasi bot accounts but paid blue check, even on machine learning threads and stuff.
- skywhopper 3y agoPosts show up, but there are far more bugs, and the general experience is slightly worse in lots of ways. Also, the overload of sycophants, trolls, and obvious bots has made it a lot noisier than it used to be.
- timeon 3y ago> everyone said the technology would fail. Most sites are able to operate without login. This is not case for the Twitter. It is operating still yes, but for now in austerity mode.
- s1artibartfast 3y agoNot really my experience with social media. facebook, instagram, pintrest, ticktok, Linkedin all require login. Edit: and HN, but it isn't driven by add revenue. Im not aware of any besides reddit that do not.
- babypuncher 3y agoTwitter feels like the exception there. They still have a lot of users, but they aren't exactly making money. Anecdotally, it's reputation is also far worse than other social media companies. It's hard to go into the office, family gatherings, etc, without hearing people joke about how awful Twitter has become, whereas with other sites I usually only hear that sentiment from other long-time users deeper inside my own bubble.
- dylan604 3y agoThe fact that people continue to call it Twitter and refuse to call it X is probably my favorite example of its not "doing just fine".
- jazzyjackson 3y agothe fact that im always hearing about it leads me to believe its not dead
- yifanl 3y agoI heard a lot about that Boeing plane in Alaska too. Indeed, I heard a lot about it than the flight my parents were on that week, which by all accounts, went fine.
- kyleyeats 3y agoIt's actually a sign that people care. Branding "disasters" have cemented the public's love for lots of brands, including Coke. In a few months, Elon will say that X is the umbrella payments network and Twitter is one of the products on that network.
- jrochkind1 3y agoThe fact that the company insists the product is now called X, but the domain is still twitter.com (x.com redirects to it, not vice versa) and much of their documentation still says twitter too... means something or other.
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- haswell 3y ago“Doing fine” when measured against what criteria? As an end user, most social media platforms are not doing fine, and have been overrun with abusive behavior and suffer from some form of Enshittefication. These companies doing fine financially (is Twitter? I don’t think so?) should not be conflated with the end user experience and health of the communities, which in many cases have degraded so thoroughly that they no longer serve their original purpose.
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- wredue 3y agoThe people love rage bait. If they wanted anything else, they’d leave.
- Scubabear68 3y agoI agree. Facebook ads are so aggressive that I have cut way back on my usage, as have others. Also pieces of the app keep breaking with more and more frequency. And account hacking or impersonation is rampant.
- timeon 3y agoI even deleted Facebook. Yet Meta is growing.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y agoFacebook is really not doing fine. It's not about to fall off a cliff - but it's a slowly sinking ship, and I doubt FB can change that (and they don't really need to since they have enough diversity - Instagram - and can just buy something new). Twitter is a sunk ship - one of the worst business purchases in history. Pinterest is nowhere near as bad as Twitter. It's maybe "fine" depending on your definition. TikTok was on a truly incredible growth trajectory. In many ways - it would be impressive for TikTok to make enough bad changes to not at least be "fine". But "fine" is subjective. That growth trajectory is nowhere near as impressive these days.
- granzymes 3y agoFacebook has 3 billion monthly active users and that number is increasing. If that’s not doing fine, what the hell is?
- readyplayernull 3y agoHow many bots?
- kj99 3y agoDepends what counts as an MAU. I deleted my Twitter account, but I can’t realistically delete my Facebook account because I have too many messenger contacts to make it worth doing. I occasionally receive a text message fron someone I haven’t seen for a long time or an aunt on another continent, so I probably count as an MAU but I am not seeing any ads on Facebook.m Apple, on the other hand has 2 billion active devices that people paid money for and are on a replacement cycle. Somehow that is only worth twice what a Facebook account is worth in terms of market cap.
- Reubend 3y agoMAU != Active Devices One user can own multiple devices. My friend owns an iPhone, an Apple Watch, and AirPods as well. Also, the timeframes are different. Apple consider any device which pinged one of their services within the last 90 days to be active. So it's approximately 1 month vs 3 months in terms of the window of measurement. And we're not even getting into the possibility of devices pinging their services that aren't in true active usage, i.e. an iPad that's just charged and connected to WiFi but not actually used. Of course, that's still extremely impressive from Apple! It's an amazing achievement which the market has obviously rewarded. But it's very much apples to oranges here. Those two statistics can't be directly compared because they represent different measurements over different periods of time.