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People aren't "trapped", they are there because they broke the law. The work should be voluntary though. Also Portland is showing exactly how well allowing hard

People aren't "trapped", they are there because they broke the law. The work should be voluntary though. Also Portland is showing exactly how well allowing hard drugs to flourish works. The voluntary uptake of drug rehabilitation offers has been terrible as most skeptics suggested. I'm glad they are doubling down on it for the forseeable future so the rest of the country will be slow to enact "shoot up heroin on the corner lolz" laws. Weed is fine but fenty, crack, meth, etc will destroy people and kill any will they have to recover from it. Imprisoning addicts is ridiculous. Imprisoning drug dealers and other 1 step removed killers? I have zero problems with that.

MSFT_Edging 3y ago
There's entire thinktanks dedicated to harassing companies for sourcing materials anywhere near Xiajiang, while there's mountains of proof the US has a for-profit prison industry with incentives to keep it around by providing companies with dirt cheap slave labor and this site just goes "well they broke the law so they deserve it". Neat
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FireBeyond 3y ago
Portland screwed up. Circumstances were beyond their control, but they botched the "reaction". Essentially, with the decriminalization was meant to come a whole host of support network and rehab and other programs (regardless of what you may feel about the viability of the same). Then COVID happened, everything was decriminalized, and all of the other stuff did not, or barely, got off the ground, and is playing catch up now. And the result has been entirely predictable. > voluntary uptake of drug rehabilitation offers has been terrible as most skeptics suggested As a paramedic who administers Narcan multiple times a week, I get this. But the rationale is "if someone is using drugs, is even a 2% (arbitrary number) entry into rehab a success? Certainly if compared to 0%". Let's also be real, it's not the legality of harder drugs that determine whether people do them or not. I'm entirely in agreement. Dealers and suppliers? Those are, and should (and in PDX are) be illegal still. Portland Police have to shoulder their share of the blame, too, here, not (just) the social constructs - Portland Police were some of the worst in the country when it came to things like BLM, Patriot Prayer, the Proud Boys and similar (and behind Seattle were one of the top per capita when it came to "number of officers who attended 1/6") and have been happy to "quiet quit" (worse, really) the last few years.
yunwal 3y ago
I specifically said “draconian drug laws” and didn’t go into which ones I believed were bad, because that’s not the point of the discussion. The point is that those laws continue to exist to fill prisons and keep the prison industrial complex moving.

MSFT_Edging 3y ago

There's entire thinktanks dedicated to harassing companies for sourcing materials anywhere near Xiajiang, while there's mountains of proof the US has a for-profit prison industry with incentives to keep it around by providing companies with dirt cheap slave labor and this site just goes "well they broke the law so they deserve it". Neat

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FireBeyond 3y ago

Portland screwed up. Circumstances were beyond their control, but they botched the "reaction". Essentially, with the decriminalization was meant to come a whole host of support network and rehab and other programs (regardless of what you may feel about the viability of the same). Then COVID happened, everything was decriminalized, and all of the other stuff did not, or barely, got off the ground, and is playing catch up now. And the result has been entirely predictable. > voluntary uptake of drug rehabilitation offers has been terrible as most skeptics suggested As a paramedic who administers Narcan multiple times a week, I get this. But the rationale is "if someone is using drugs, is even a 2% (arbitrary number) entry into rehab a success? Certainly if compared to 0%". Let's also be real, it's not the legality of harder drugs that determine whether people do them or not. I'm entirely in agreement. Dealers and suppliers? Those are, and should (and in PDX are) be illegal still. Portland Police have to shoulder their share of the blame, too, here, not (just) the social constructs - Portland Police were some of the worst in the country when it came to things like BLM, Patriot Prayer, the Proud Boys and similar (and behind Seattle were one of the top per capita when it came to "number of officers who attended 1/6") and have been happy to "quiet quit" (worse, really) the last few years.

yunwal 3y ago

I specifically said “draconian drug laws” and didn’t go into which ones I believed were bad, because that’s not the point of the discussion. The point is that those laws continue to exist to fill prisons and keep the prison industrial complex moving.