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> Look, I get that corporate America is strangled by puritan values from the payment processing networks on up, but it is arrogant and willful ignorance to pret

> Look, I get that corporate America is strangled by puritan values from the payment processing networks on up, but it is arrogant and willful ignorance to pretend that adult content consumption is not a major part of the VR/MR story. I’m glad to see this sentiment expressed here. I have grown increasingly frustrated with this very thing over the past few years. Anything which even approaches, erotic or titillating is immediately suppressed, censored, and pretended like it never existed in the first place. Apple is one of the worst here, but far away not the only one. All of the AI companies are exactly the same: try and generate an image of a woman and a bathing suit with DALL-E and you will inevitably fail. Instead, they pretend over and over that these are simply productivity devices, meant to enhance our capabilities as workers or consumers of Disney-level entertainment. I am a human being, who occasionally gets horny. I masturbate. This is not something that corporate America recognizes, and in fact, seems eager to censor and suppress. A world curated by conservative HR departments is not one that is particularly appealing to me, and the Vision Pro seems like it is the month of this attitude.

thih9 3y ago
But corporate America recognizes that you're a human being; most of popular culture is doing its best to make everyone horny or otherwise excited all the time. The fact that we're not served explicit content is a blessing IMHO. I realize this is a bit of a different take, it does seem related though. At the same time I get that you'd like to do what you want with your device and that makes sense too.
- peteforde 3y ago
  Just be careful not to fall into the trap of equating "being served" with "being able to access". One is sinister and gives pearl clutchers new talking points. The other describes what should be a basic aspect of owning a computer.
  - thih9 3y ago
    Agreed - this is what the second paragraph of my comment is about.
stevofolife 3y ago
> This is not something that corporate America recognizes, and in fact, seems eager to censor and suppress. Numerous American companies recognize this and are developing services and products tailored to your needs. The comment just above yours highlighted some of these companies. However, Apple may not be the best-suited company to take action in this regard.
- revscat 3y ago
  Why not? They are —- rightfully —- pro-LGBT+. Apple: “It’s ok to be gay, just not horny.” How is that not a dichotomy, and (possibly) hypocritical? We as a culture have a weird relationship with horny, and it’s mostly a negative one. Sexuality is fine. Horny is not.
  - vjulian 3y ago
    And don’t forget, if it’s titillating, then it cannot be art.
astrange 3y ago
I don't think this is an issue for the users of this website because as far as I can tell their idea of porn is tiling window managers. But I also don't know why you think the Vision Pro can't play videos or go to websites. It can do that stuff. (Actually, I'm informed by a VR porn enthusiast that it doesn't support some stereo video formats. I guess you have to stick to 2D.)
- dkonofalski 3y ago
  Your VR enthusiast is wrong. The issue he's describing was because of the two video players that launched in the App Store. There are video players for the AVP that can play stereoscopic video without issue.
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    See https://www.404media.co/a-3-500-chastity-belt-early-apple-vision-pro-adopters-alarmed-to-learn-vr-porn-doesnt-work/ https://www.404media.co/a-3-500-chastity-belt-early-apple-vi... though I know you can put pano videos in WebXR and that might bypass it.
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    See https://www.404media.co/a-3-500-chastity-belt-early-apple-vision-pro-adopters-alarmed-to-learn-vr-porn-doesnt-work/ https://www.404media.co/a-3-500-chastity-belt-early-apple-vi... though I know you can put pano videos in WebXR and that might bypass it. (In fact, if you have WebXR, the only people who need the app store are those who never "think different")
    - dkonofalski 3y ago
      Yeah. They're wrong. I've been playing 3D SBS videos from my collection since I got the AVP.
nkohari 3y ago
> All of the AI companies are exactly the same: try and generate an image of a woman and a bathing suit with DALL-E and you will inevitably fail. I think this is largely driven by the concern that the model could be used to (whether intentionally or inadvertently) generate an image of a person who looks underage. That's a gray area of law (not to mention morality) that people are very hesitant to test, so it's better to just block porn entirely.
iwontberude 3y ago
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PaulHoule 3y ago
I see ads for a program that draws pictures of women in sexual situations but boy when penises get involved it turns into nightmare fuel (disembodied, decapitated, bifurcated, pointing in the wrong direction) which makes me glad I don't have castration anxiety. The really obvious MR sex app is one that overwrites your partner with somebody else like Strea or Bremington. Not sure if most partners would like that. You might get something that feels like motion sickness if there is too much of a difference in breast size.

thih9 3y ago

But corporate America recognizes that you're a human being; most of popular culture is doing its best to make everyone horny or otherwise excited all the time. The fact that we're not served explicit content is a blessing IMHO. I realize this is a bit of a different take, it does seem related though. At the same time I get that you'd like to do what you want with your device and that makes sense too.

peteforde 3y ago
Just be careful not to fall into the trap of equating "being served" with "being able to access". One is sinister and gives pearl clutchers new talking points. The other describes what should be a basic aspect of owning a computer.
- thih9 3y ago
  Agreed - this is what the second paragraph of my comment is about.

stevofolife 3y ago

> This is not something that corporate America recognizes, and in fact, seems eager to censor and suppress. Numerous American companies recognize this and are developing services and products tailored to your needs. The comment just above yours highlighted some of these companies. However, Apple may not be the best-suited company to take action in this regard.

revscat 3y ago
Why not? They are —- rightfully —- pro-LGBT+. Apple: “It’s ok to be gay, just not horny.” How is that not a dichotomy, and (possibly) hypocritical? We as a culture have a weird relationship with horny, and it’s mostly a negative one. Sexuality is fine. Horny is not.
- vjulian 3y ago
  And don’t forget, if it’s titillating, then it cannot be art.

astrange 3y ago

I don't think this is an issue for the users of this website because as far as I can tell their idea of porn is tiling window managers. But I also don't know why you think the Vision Pro can't play videos or go to websites. It can do that stuff. (Actually, I'm informed by a VR porn enthusiast that it doesn't support some stereo video formats. I guess you have to stick to 2D.)

dkonofalski 3y ago
Your VR enthusiast is wrong. The issue he's describing was because of the two video players that launched in the App Store. There are video players for the AVP that can play stereoscopic video without issue.
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  See https://www.404media.co/a-3-500-chastity-belt-early-apple-vision-pro-adopters-alarmed-to-learn-vr-porn-doesnt-work/ https://www.404media.co/a-3-500-chastity-belt-early-apple-vi... though I know you can put pano videos in WebXR and that might bypass it.
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  See https://www.404media.co/a-3-500-chastity-belt-early-apple-vision-pro-adopters-alarmed-to-learn-vr-porn-doesnt-work/ https://www.404media.co/a-3-500-chastity-belt-early-apple-vi... though I know you can put pano videos in WebXR and that might bypass it. (In fact, if you have WebXR, the only people who need the app store are those who never "think different")
  - dkonofalski 3y ago
    Yeah. They're wrong. I've been playing 3D SBS videos from my collection since I got the AVP.

nkohari 3y ago

> All of the AI companies are exactly the same: try and generate an image of a woman and a bathing suit with DALL-E and you will inevitably fail. I think this is largely driven by the concern that the model could be used to (whether intentionally or inadvertently) generate an image of a person who looks underage. That's a gray area of law (not to mention morality) that people are very hesitant to test, so it's better to just block porn entirely.

iwontberude 3y ago

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PaulHoule 3y ago

I see ads for a program that draws pictures of women in sexual situations but boy when penises get involved it turns into nightmare fuel (disembodied, decapitated, bifurcated, pointing in the wrong direction) which makes me glad I don't have castration anxiety. The really obvious MR sex app is one that overwrites your partner with somebody else like Strea or Bremington. Not sure if most partners would like that. You might get something that feels like motion sickness if there is too much of a difference in breast size.