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I live ON the beach, and the beach hasn't changed one iota in the past 40 years, other than a loss of the scarp during / after large hurricanes. The TV "science

I live ON the beach, and the beach hasn't changed one iota in the past 40 years, other than a loss of the scarp during / after large hurricanes. The TV "science" is becoming so ridiculous that it's hard to fathom that there are people who actually believe it. Am I to believe that there is one large, interconnected ocean, and that fluid naturally levels itself out, but that also, somehow, certain places experience sea level rise while others don't? Is it some huge coincidence that the places experiencing extreme sea level rise (e.g., Solomon Islands) are ephemeral and ever-changing volcanic islands and other volcanically active regions that sit upon a soft foundation of molten mantle? Use your brain, my friend.

zaccusl 3y ago
There is absolutely no possible way that you (or any other person) would notice a 4 inch GLOBAL AVERAGE rise in sea level over the last few decades. I don't care if you literally spent 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, 365 days per year on your belly at the high tide mark. The data is the data and you need a lot more than "living on the beach" to refute it. And yes, the sea level is different in different parts of the Earth. Why? Because forces are different in different parts of the Earth. Current (which impart forces) alone is enough to make a difference in sea level in two different parts of the Earth. And yes, land changing elevation is colloquially part of sea level rise. The problem with using your brain is it doesn't make you an expert in things, or able to refute expertise without actual knowledge. And simple observations do not amount to much knowledge on anything but the most simple subject.
- gonational 3y ago
  Absolutely no way huh? There are literally corals (East Florida rock reef) that are barely covered in water at high tide, and these same corals were the same amount covered in 1988. I would notice. I would also notice my best friend's seawall become inundated every high tide now. I know these things are uncomfortable to hear, because a panel of dubiously grant-funded "scientists, who otherwise do nothing but produce irreproducible white papers, said differently. 4 inches is no joke for a small Florida beach town. It's not like California, where you have 80 foot cliffs and wide beaches. My favorite childhood beach spots would have been halved. Instead, they're exactly the same. 4 inches would have ruined much of our town's waterfront property. Go look up pictures from Liberty Island, 1918. The water level is at the same brick as it is at high tide today. Global warming is a false religion.
  - deprecative 3y ago
    Given how vehemently wrong you are I can only imagine you don't understand what's being communicated and don't want to learn what's being communicated.
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  - defrost 3y ago
    > Go look up pictures from Liberty Island, 1918. "The most obvious problem with the pics is that unless they were taken at the exact same point in a tidal cycle they say nothing about average sea level rise,". Raymo said that the old photo could have been taken near high tide and the recent photo could have been taken near low tide. We just don’t know.
    - gonational 3y ago
      All one needs to do, in order to prove the theory correct, is to take a new photo at a high springtide[1]. If it's no higher than the old photo, then the theory is correct. If it is higher, then we don't know (because the old photo could have been taken at a lower tide). Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Without any disrespect intended, anybody, who thinks the ocean is meaningfully rising because of human activity, I'd rather not have living in my town; they're likely to vote to raise my taxes because the TV told them that if they give money to the government the weather will be gooder. 1. https://www.tideschart.com/United-States/New-York/New-York-County/Liberty-Island/ https://www.tideschart.com/United-States/New-York/New-York-C...
      - Jabbles 3y ago
        Surely you would suspect any photo of being photoshopped? Satellites take millions of "photos" around the world every day, and combined with local measurements, we have a pretty accurate record of how the sea level around Manhattan has changed over the last century: https://sealevel.info/MSL_graph.php?id=8518750&c_date=1900/1-2024/12 https://sealevel.info/MSL_graph.php?id=8518750&c_date=1900/1...
Jabbles 3y ago
Sea levels are rising primarily because the sea is warming, and water, like most substances, expands as it heats up. Global warming does not affect every place on Earth evenly, that's partly why the phrase "climate change" is preferred. It's possible that you live in an area that due to the local or regional geography, the sea level has not changed much.

zaccusl 3y ago

There is absolutely no possible way that you (or any other person) would notice a 4 inch GLOBAL AVERAGE rise in sea level over the last few decades. I don't care if you literally spent 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, 365 days per year on your belly at the high tide mark. The data is the data and you need a lot more than "living on the beach" to refute it. And yes, the sea level is different in different parts of the Earth. Why? Because forces are different in different parts of the Earth. Current (which impart forces) alone is enough to make a difference in sea level in two different parts of the Earth. And yes, land changing elevation is colloquially part of sea level rise. The problem with using your brain is it doesn't make you an expert in things, or able to refute expertise without actual knowledge. And simple observations do not amount to much knowledge on anything but the most simple subject.

gonational 3y ago
Absolutely no way huh? There are literally corals (East Florida rock reef) that are barely covered in water at high tide, and these same corals were the same amount covered in 1988. I would notice. I would also notice my best friend's seawall become inundated every high tide now. I know these things are uncomfortable to hear, because a panel of dubiously grant-funded "scientists, who otherwise do nothing but produce irreproducible white papers, said differently. 4 inches is no joke for a small Florida beach town. It's not like California, where you have 80 foot cliffs and wide beaches. My favorite childhood beach spots would have been halved. Instead, they're exactly the same. 4 inches would have ruined much of our town's waterfront property. Go look up pictures from Liberty Island, 1918. The water level is at the same brick as it is at high tide today. Global warming is a false religion.
- deprecative 3y ago
  Given how vehemently wrong you are I can only imagine you don't understand what's being communicated and don't want to learn what's being communicated.
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- defrost 3y ago
  > Go look up pictures from Liberty Island, 1918. "The most obvious problem with the pics is that unless they were taken at the exact same point in a tidal cycle they say nothing about average sea level rise,". Raymo said that the old photo could have been taken near high tide and the recent photo could have been taken near low tide. We just don’t know.
  - gonational 3y ago
    All one needs to do, in order to prove the theory correct, is to take a new photo at a high springtide[1]. If it's no higher than the old photo, then the theory is correct. If it is higher, then we don't know (because the old photo could have been taken at a lower tide). Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Without any disrespect intended, anybody, who thinks the ocean is meaningfully rising because of human activity, I'd rather not have living in my town; they're likely to vote to raise my taxes because the TV told them that if they give money to the government the weather will be gooder. 1. https://www.tideschart.com/United-States/New-York/New-York-County/Liberty-Island/ https://www.tideschart.com/United-States/New-York/New-York-C...
    - Jabbles 3y ago
      Surely you would suspect any photo of being photoshopped? Satellites take millions of "photos" around the world every day, and combined with local measurements, we have a pretty accurate record of how the sea level around Manhattan has changed over the last century: https://sealevel.info/MSL_graph.php?id=8518750&c_date=1900/1-2024/12 https://sealevel.info/MSL_graph.php?id=8518750&c_date=1900/1...

Jabbles 3y ago

Sea levels are rising primarily because the sea is warming, and water, like most substances, expands as it heats up. Global warming does not affect every place on Earth evenly, that's partly why the phrase "climate change" is preferred. It's possible that you live in an area that due to the local or regional geography, the sea level has not changed much.