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It makes complete sense if you don't strawman comments in bad-faith. This isn't about "allow" or "disallow" - there is no attempt here to abridge somebody's fre

It makes complete sense if you don't strawman comments in bad-faith. This isn't about "allow" or "disallow" - there is no attempt here to abridge somebody's free speech. Anyone can criticize anything. It takes genuine effort to create a new system that works across an industry - if you think you can do better, go for it - I'll cheer you on.

Marazan 3y ago
There isn't a system, new or otherwise, that works across the industry. The belief that there can be is a root cause of bad systems like OKRs.
- pompino 3y ago
  You are entitled to your opinion, but pro tip: Telling people they're wrong when a system is working for them doesn't get the point across. Often those same people are well aware that each system has its flaws and no system is perfect.
  - Marazan 3y ago
    I didn't say a system doesn't work in one specific company or situation. I said it isn't universal and cannot be universal.
    - pompino 3y ago
      Of course, these things are assumed. Nobody actually claims systems to be universally applicable to everyone in every situation. So that is a bit of a nitpick, and not very substantive.
mcluck 3y ago
Sorry bud, no strawmen in sight. I was giving you an example of the system failing for me. This is a valid reason to criticize the system. If I had a solution that I had been able to test and validate then I would present it. In the absence of that, there's value in pointing out that it's not a panacea and it may not be valuable for others to jump on the bandwagon
- pompino 3y ago
  > I was giving you an example of the system failing for me. "In this scenario that only I know the details of, here is my opinion, and my opinion is correct, which proves OKR is bullshit". You're simply stating your feelings, which nobody can discuss/examine. That isn't an example of anything.
  - mcluck 3y ago
    I in no way claimed that I proved OKRs are bullshit. I only stated that they have been ineffective in producing actionable data at the companies I've been at. If OKRs work for you, great. It doesn't mean that they are a universally good solution.
    - pompino 3y ago
      Fair enough, I'll drop it. Have a nice day :)

Marazan 3y ago

There isn't a system, new or otherwise, that works across the industry. The belief that there can be is a root cause of bad systems like OKRs.

pompino 3y ago
You are entitled to your opinion, but pro tip: Telling people they're wrong when a system is working for them doesn't get the point across. Often those same people are well aware that each system has its flaws and no system is perfect.
- Marazan 3y ago
  I didn't say a system doesn't work in one specific company or situation. I said it isn't universal and cannot be universal.
  - pompino 3y ago
    Of course, these things are assumed. Nobody actually claims systems to be universally applicable to everyone in every situation. So that is a bit of a nitpick, and not very substantive.

mcluck 3y ago

Sorry bud, no strawmen in sight. I was giving you an example of the system failing for me. This is a valid reason to criticize the system. If I had a solution that I had been able to test and validate then I would present it. In the absence of that, there's value in pointing out that it's not a panacea and it may not be valuable for others to jump on the bandwagon

pompino 3y ago
> I was giving you an example of the system failing for me. "In this scenario that only I know the details of, here is my opinion, and my opinion is correct, which proves OKR is bullshit". You're simply stating your feelings, which nobody can discuss/examine. That isn't an example of anything.
- mcluck 3y ago
  I in no way claimed that I proved OKRs are bullshit. I only stated that they have been ineffective in producing actionable data at the companies I've been at. If OKRs work for you, great. It doesn't mean that they are a universally good solution.
  - pompino 3y ago
    Fair enough, I'll drop it. Have a nice day :)