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Perhaps so, but just because we didn’t call something by a name at the time doesn’t mean that’s not what it was!

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
From what I've overheard of critical theory, this is the argument between historical contingency (historicism) and social construction (constructionism). https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01916599.2019.1653351 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01916599.2019.1... : Historicism, dominating nineteenth-century Western thought and overseeing the professionalization of historical studies, advocated an understanding of the present condition of the human world as developing out of past conditions. Constructionism, dominating the second half of the twentieth century, understood the present condition as the recent invention of certain ‘historical’ environments, without prior existence. People used to have letters to the editor and billboards. Even in computers there were login messages, user signatures, and presumably notes taped to shared terminals.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  To add on to social media precursors, which can functionally be called social media 2.0 if one is following historicism, randomdata mentions newspaper society pages as similar to timeline feeds: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39272068 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39272068 And basically forever we've had dedicated gossips for social media 1.0. I'm kind of with prmoustache. It becomes a thing when people start treating it like a thing, and said treatment involves the labeling.
prmoustache 3y ago
That doesn't invalidate my point. When we talk about mountain bikes, we are talking about the bikes that directly evolved from the people like Joe Breeze, Chris Cunningham, Gary Fisher or Tom Ritchey who used to race against each other on old modified schwinn cruisers bikes in Marin County in the 70's. That doesn't mean they invented mountain biking, that Fausto Coppi or Louison Bobbet weren't "mountain biking" at the Tour de France, nor erase the existence of a multitude of bicycle tourers in the dirt decades before, like the cyclo muletiers in France, the Rough-Stuff fellowship in the UK or kids building "Scramblers" in the 1950's. Same with the gravel bikes, people didn't wait for the industry to invent a name for it to ride bikes in the dirt yet the bike with drop bars we used back in the days were just called road, cyclocross, touring or randonneuse. It is a term that is attached as much to the usage as to the period it started.

From what I've overheard of critical theory, this is the argument between historical contingency (historicism) and social construction (constructionism). https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01916599.2019.1653351 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01916599.2019.1... : Historicism, dominating nineteenth-century Western thought and overseeing the professionalization of historical studies, advocated an understanding of the present condition of the human world as developing out of past conditions. Constructionism, dominating the second half of the twentieth century, understood the present condition as the recent invention of certain ‘historical’ environments, without prior existence. People used to have letters to the editor and billboards. Even in computers there were login messages, user signatures, and presumably notes taped to shared terminals.

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
To add on to social media precursors, which can functionally be called social media 2.0 if one is following historicism, randomdata mentions newspaper society pages as similar to timeline feeds: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39272068 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39272068 And basically forever we've had dedicated gossips for social media 1.0. I'm kind of with prmoustache. It becomes a thing when people start treating it like a thing, and said treatment involves the labeling.

prmoustache 3y ago

That doesn't invalidate my point. When we talk about mountain bikes, we are talking about the bikes that directly evolved from the people like Joe Breeze, Chris Cunningham, Gary Fisher or Tom Ritchey who used to race against each other on old modified schwinn cruisers bikes in Marin County in the 70's. That doesn't mean they invented mountain biking, that Fausto Coppi or Louison Bobbet weren't "mountain biking" at the Tour de France, nor erase the existence of a multitude of bicycle tourers in the dirt decades before, like the cyclo muletiers in France, the Rough-Stuff fellowship in the UK or kids building "Scramblers" in the 1950's. Same with the gravel bikes, people didn't wait for the industry to invent a name for it to ride bikes in the dirt yet the bike with drop bars we used back in the days were just called road, cyclocross, touring or randonneuse. It is a term that is attached as much to the usage as to the period it started.