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I wonder if nowadays you can just ask ChatGPT to negotiate for you. Personally, I hate negotiating salary and the games that come along with it. I usually go in

by doix 3y ago

I wonder if nowadays you can just ask ChatGPT to negotiate for you. Personally, I hate negotiating salary and the games that come along with it. I usually go in with a number in my head and if they can't meet it, I just thank them for their time and say I'm not considering offers below my number. The risk/downside is that my number could be too low, but that's something I'm willing to live with if it means I can avoid having to negotiate. If they immediately agree to your number, it probably means you asked for too little. Or the person you're dealing with also hates negotiating.

supriyo-biswas 3y ago
Every person is different, but I wonder what is it that you hate so much about negotiation, so much that you’d accept a lower salary even though if you had bills to pay. Even I don’t like to push hard and use tactics like the ones you see in sales calls, but the last time I had to negotiate salaries, I just said that I was excited for the position and the company, and reminded them it would be difficult to accept what they were offering because it didn’t meet my expectations. Virtually everyone was convinced by said statements and came back with salary increases after that. As for ChatGPT, there are tell tale markers when someone uses that, and because of its content-free nature of writing, it is very likely to backfire.
- doix 3y ago
  > Every person is different, but I wonder what is it that you hate so much about negotiation, so much that you’d accept a lower salary even though if you had bills to pay. Why are you assuming that I'm constantly accepting lower salaries? I pick my number so that I can my bills and live a comfortable life. Sometimes they have to close a job req and open a new one with a higher pay grade to give me my number. I've read a few times that employees don't care about the absolute number, as long as they feel like they are getting paid fairly compared to their peers. I was like that when I was younger but now I don't care. If Jeff does nothing and gets paid more than me, whatever. As long as I make a number I'm happy with then I'm happy. > As for ChatGPT, there are tell tale markers when someone uses that, and because of its content-free nature of writing, it is very likely to backfire. I just tried it, and it came up with: > Thank you for the offer. I appreciate the opportunity to join your company. However, based on my skills, experience, and the market standards for this role in the industry, I was hoping for a salary closer to (your salary). I believe this reflects the value I can bring to the team and the responsibilities of the position. Seems _good enough_. I'm sure if I spent more time with the prompt and actually told it what industry I'm in, it could write something less generic.
jgilias 3y ago
After lowballing myself and ending up working for some time for a lot less than what a friend of mine got for exactly the same position many moons ago, I started to just not give my number. I’d typically explain in a friendly, non-threatening way how I’m sure they have a pay scale and pay ranges for particular positions, so why don’t we start with where they see me. They’d usually push on a bit, and I’d stay friendly but resolute. You can always spin it in a way that “I really like what I’ve seen so far, so it’s not about the numbers. I’m flexible, I wouldn’t want you to pass on me just because of some random number I might say.” For me this has worked wonders. Every single time I would’ve low balled myself. Highly recommended. It’s a stupid game. You can totally opt to just not play it.
- xahrepap 3y ago
  I hate the game and don’t like to negotiate either. Thanks for the advice. Similarly once I was given an offer I for a job I wasn’t looking for. It was a nice jump higher than what I was making. But I was happy with my current job. I politely turned it down. Went to my current boss, explained that I got an offer, turned it down because I wasn’t looking for change but felt like that offer showed I was worth more than they were paying and would appreciate a bump. I got a raise. I was happy. He was happy.
  - ricardobeat 3y ago
    That’s great. Having honest, down to earth managers is very refreshing. Important to note this does not make good advice / expectations - most bosses will not be as understanding, and the job you were happy with is now filled with resentment for not getting a raise.
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      Also the boss knows you're shopping around, and to start seeking a replacement. The trade-off of a brief raise might be worth it to keep you on long enough to find one.
risfriend 3y ago
A strategy you can follow is - Start with not budging to tell the number in your mind. There is typically a range of salary defined for each level. Let them make the first move where the recruiter will typically start with low or mid (if you did very well in interviews) value in the range. Negotiating 10-20% higher than that can be a tactic but avoid being too pushy.

by doix 3y ago

supriyo-biswas 3y ago

Every person is different, but I wonder what is it that you hate so much about negotiation, so much that you’d accept a lower salary even though if you had bills to pay. Even I don’t like to push hard and use tactics like the ones you see in sales calls, but the last time I had to negotiate salaries, I just said that I was excited for the position and the company, and reminded them it would be difficult to accept what they were offering because it didn’t meet my expectations. Virtually everyone was convinced by said statements and came back with salary increases after that. As for ChatGPT, there are tell tale markers when someone uses that, and because of its content-free nature of writing, it is very likely to backfire.

doix 3y ago
> Every person is different, but I wonder what is it that you hate so much about negotiation, so much that you’d accept a lower salary even though if you had bills to pay. Why are you assuming that I'm constantly accepting lower salaries? I pick my number so that I can my bills and live a comfortable life. Sometimes they have to close a job req and open a new one with a higher pay grade to give me my number. I've read a few times that employees don't care about the absolute number, as long as they feel like they are getting paid fairly compared to their peers. I was like that when I was younger but now I don't care. If Jeff does nothing and gets paid more than me, whatever. As long as I make a number I'm happy with then I'm happy. > As for ChatGPT, there are tell tale markers when someone uses that, and because of its content-free nature of writing, it is very likely to backfire. I just tried it, and it came up with: > Thank you for the offer. I appreciate the opportunity to join your company. However, based on my skills, experience, and the market standards for this role in the industry, I was hoping for a salary closer to (your salary). I believe this reflects the value I can bring to the team and the responsibilities of the position. Seems _good enough_. I'm sure if I spent more time with the prompt and actually told it what industry I'm in, it could write something less generic.

jgilias 3y ago

After lowballing myself and ending up working for some time for a lot less than what a friend of mine got for exactly the same position many moons ago, I started to just not give my number. I’d typically explain in a friendly, non-threatening way how I’m sure they have a pay scale and pay ranges for particular positions, so why don’t we start with where they see me. They’d usually push on a bit, and I’d stay friendly but resolute. You can always spin it in a way that “I really like what I’ve seen so far, so it’s not about the numbers. I’m flexible, I wouldn’t want you to pass on me just because of some random number I might say.” For me this has worked wonders. Every single time I would’ve low balled myself. Highly recommended. It’s a stupid game. You can totally opt to just not play it.

xahrepap 3y ago
I hate the game and don’t like to negotiate either. Thanks for the advice. Similarly once I was given an offer I for a job I wasn’t looking for. It was a nice jump higher than what I was making. But I was happy with my current job. I politely turned it down. Went to my current boss, explained that I got an offer, turned it down because I wasn’t looking for change but felt like that offer showed I was worth more than they were paying and would appreciate a bump. I got a raise. I was happy. He was happy.
- ricardobeat 3y ago
  That’s great. Having honest, down to earth managers is very refreshing. Important to note this does not make good advice / expectations - most bosses will not be as understanding, and the job you were happy with is now filled with resentment for not getting a raise.
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    Also the boss knows you're shopping around, and to start seeking a replacement. The trade-off of a brief raise might be worth it to keep you on long enough to find one.

risfriend 3y ago

A strategy you can follow is - Start with not budging to tell the number in your mind. There is typically a range of salary defined for each level. Let them make the first move where the recruiter will typically start with low or mid (if you did very well in interviews) value in the range. Negotiating 10-20% higher than that can be a tactic but avoid being too pushy.