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This looks a lot better than I expected. One thing that bugs me about this (and Tailwind) is the number of dependencies they pull in. Panda has 152 nodes (239,

This looks a lot better than I expected. One thing that bugs me about this (and Tailwind) is the number of dependencies they pull in. Panda has 152 nodes (239, if you count their dev-dependencies)[0]. Tailwind has 98 (594 if you count their dev-dependencies). I know they're only dev-dependencies, but still... I've got all of that code running on my machine, just to process CSS. I really don't love it. [0] https://npmgraph.js.org/?q=%40pandacss%2Fdev https://npmgraph.js.org/?q=%40pandacss%2Fdev

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williamcotton 3y ago
Especially since CSS now supports imports, variables, nested children and other features that have rendered the CSS processing tools of yore obsolete.
- Waterluvian 3y ago
  CSS feels just about perfect now. Any more convenience features and it would probably start feeling overly abstracted to me.
- newzisforsukas 3y ago
  control structures? actual expressions? I am not arguing for using sass, et al, but CSS preprocessors still have their place for those who wish to utilize them.
cjpearson 3y ago
I don't disagree with the main point here, but the dev-dependencies won't be installed or run on your machine unless you're building Tailwind or Panda itself. They're not necessary for processing the CSS.
- christophilus 3y ago
  I know, but there’s something about having many hundreds / thousands of dev dependencies that seems like a signal of mindset. How much do they care about simplicity, bloat, efficiency, security? The number of dependencies is a signal. Maybe not an important one, though.
  - SeriousStorm 3y ago
    None of Tailwind's dependencies ship to your production app. Tailwind is a CSS build system (mostly) so when you build for prod, the only thing that ships to prod is a CSS file.
- charrondev 3y ago
  Is there a way to install only your own dev dependencies? As far as I can tell installing a package will also pull down all of its dev dependencies. This unfortunately leads to many typescript related annoyances such as jest typescript global types being pulled in despite not needing them.

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williamcotton 3y ago

Especially since CSS now supports imports, variables, nested children and other features that have rendered the CSS processing tools of yore obsolete.

Waterluvian 3y ago
CSS feels just about perfect now. Any more convenience features and it would probably start feeling overly abstracted to me.
newzisforsukas 3y ago
control structures? actual expressions? I am not arguing for using sass, et al, but CSS preprocessors still have their place for those who wish to utilize them.

cjpearson 3y ago

I don't disagree with the main point here, but the dev-dependencies won't be installed or run on your machine unless you're building Tailwind or Panda itself. They're not necessary for processing the CSS.

christophilus 3y ago
I know, but there’s something about having many hundreds / thousands of dev dependencies that seems like a signal of mindset. How much do they care about simplicity, bloat, efficiency, security? The number of dependencies is a signal. Maybe not an important one, though.
- SeriousStorm 3y ago
  None of Tailwind's dependencies ship to your production app. Tailwind is a CSS build system (mostly) so when you build for prod, the only thing that ships to prod is a CSS file.
charrondev 3y ago
Is there a way to install only your own dev dependencies? As far as I can tell installing a package will also pull down all of its dev dependencies. This unfortunately leads to many typescript related annoyances such as jest typescript global types being pulled in despite not needing them.