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Your foundational premise is that good cops don’t exist because they’re part of a system. It’s an awful convenient argument because it lacks refutability. Are

Your foundational premise is that good cops don’t exist because they’re part of a system. It’s an awful convenient argument because it lacks refutability. Are you a butcher because you eat meat? Are you a zionist because your tax dollars fun Isreal? Do you steal documents from poor workers because you buy the products they make? You are part of many systems. So are police officers. They are not any more at fault for the injustices of law enforcement as you are for living the way you do.

alex_lav 3y ago
> Your foundational premise is that good cops don’t exist because they’re part of a system. Ah yes. So there were "good" nazis, right? Say it :) > They are not any more at fault for the injustices of law enforcement as you are for living the way you do. Yes again, I understand that you're an apologist for corrupt systems. I just choose not to be.
- swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
  I'm not apologizing for abuses of power, I want police accountability. What are you doing to actually improve these corrupt systems? Calling people names is not bringing the world closer to justice. I think it does the opposite, which is why I continue to debate you.
  - alex_lav 3y ago
    > What are you doing to actually improve these corrupt systems? Isn't it amusing how you have absolutely no idea what I've done, and yet you've made up some narrative that I'm not doing anything? Isn't it also funny how you think I should owe you some reasoning behind why I communicate about people in power the way I do? Why does one have to justify criticism of people in power? I've protested. I've been tear gassed. I vote, I picket, I contribute funds. So I also feel well within my rights to talk some shit. And I also feel very comfortable telling random nobodys on the internet that suggest that I shouldn't "say mean things" about a group of people that have said and done incredibly "mean" (illegal, offensive, dystopian) things to me to buzz off. I'm also noticing you ignored my nazi comment. So again I'll ask, you're saying there are good nazis, yes?
    - swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
      If you have done all that and all you have to say is "police are scum", you've learned the wrong lessons. Police are here to stay. I don't like how they can skirt the laws but calling them scum isn't fixing the issue. Negativity is unattractive. Moderates will be put off by your hate. Don't bring up nazis online, it's such a tired argument that people straight up ignore it. You appear to be an activist but you have no recommendations of what changes in policy ought to happen. There are so many protesters in my city like that. They're disruptive and offer no solutions. That's not progress, it's laziness.
      - alex_lav 3y ago
        > If you have done all that and all you have to say is "police are scum", you've learned the wrong lessons Again, duly noted that a person on the opposite side of a debate doesn't agree with me. > Moderates will be put off by your hate. Shockingly enough, I'm uninterested in pandering to apologists :) > Don't bring up nazis online, it's such a tired argument that people straight up ignore it. But I thought it was possible to be a part of a hate group and also not be complicit in that group's abuse? Stand by your position or don't, not my problem. But you're being inconsistent. > You appear to be an activist but you have no recommendations of what changes in policy ought to happen. I'm sorry, where was this question ever posed? Or is this more you assuming I should've spelled out my entire life story? > That's not progress, it's laziness. Unsure that a person doing nothing other than poo-pooing other people can cast the laziness stone. I'll be done with this interaction now.

alex_lav 3y ago

> Your foundational premise is that good cops don’t exist because they’re part of a system. Ah yes. So there were "good" nazis, right? Say it :) > They are not any more at fault for the injustices of law enforcement as you are for living the way you do. Yes again, I understand that you're an apologist for corrupt systems. I just choose not to be.

swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
I'm not apologizing for abuses of power, I want police accountability. What are you doing to actually improve these corrupt systems? Calling people names is not bringing the world closer to justice. I think it does the opposite, which is why I continue to debate you.
- alex_lav 3y ago
  > What are you doing to actually improve these corrupt systems? Isn't it amusing how you have absolutely no idea what I've done, and yet you've made up some narrative that I'm not doing anything? Isn't it also funny how you think I should owe you some reasoning behind why I communicate about people in power the way I do? Why does one have to justify criticism of people in power? I've protested. I've been tear gassed. I vote, I picket, I contribute funds. So I also feel well within my rights to talk some shit. And I also feel very comfortable telling random nobodys on the internet that suggest that I shouldn't "say mean things" about a group of people that have said and done incredibly "mean" (illegal, offensive, dystopian) things to me to buzz off. I'm also noticing you ignored my nazi comment. So again I'll ask, you're saying there are good nazis, yes?
  - swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
    If you have done all that and all you have to say is "police are scum", you've learned the wrong lessons. Police are here to stay. I don't like how they can skirt the laws but calling them scum isn't fixing the issue. Negativity is unattractive. Moderates will be put off by your hate. Don't bring up nazis online, it's such a tired argument that people straight up ignore it. You appear to be an activist but you have no recommendations of what changes in policy ought to happen. There are so many protesters in my city like that. They're disruptive and offer no solutions. That's not progress, it's laziness.
    - alex_lav 3y ago
      > If you have done all that and all you have to say is "police are scum", you've learned the wrong lessons Again, duly noted that a person on the opposite side of a debate doesn't agree with me. > Moderates will be put off by your hate. Shockingly enough, I'm uninterested in pandering to apologists :) > Don't bring up nazis online, it's such a tired argument that people straight up ignore it. But I thought it was possible to be a part of a hate group and also not be complicit in that group's abuse? Stand by your position or don't, not my problem. But you're being inconsistent. > You appear to be an activist but you have no recommendations of what changes in policy ought to happen. I'm sorry, where was this question ever posed? Or is this more you assuming I should've spelled out my entire life story? > That's not progress, it's laziness. Unsure that a person doing nothing other than poo-pooing other people can cast the laziness stone. I'll be done with this interaction now.