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The nice thing with the digital charts is you can print out a cut up bit of your cross country, scribble it all full of notes and frequencies, and chuck that pa

• DarmokJalad1701 3y ago
  Why not just use an EFB?
  • subhro 3y ago
    Because batteries die, stuff overheats and shit hits the fan, sometimes. I always carry backup paper charts even if I am flying with a EFB and a glass cockpit.
    • V-eHGsd_ 3y ago
      personally I carry a second efb (eg. my phone) and spare power banks rather than try to deal with a mess of paper charts. it's certainly cheaper than trying to keep my sectionals up to date (which, now that I think about it, I don't think I've actually bought since I took my private checkride).
      • lovecg 3y ago
        Yeah as much as I love the graphic design of VFR sectionals, I have to admit it’s an end of an era of sorts. ForeFlight etc. with proper backup devices have the entire database at your fingerprints at all times. And it’s a good thing, anything that makes GA easier/safer is a welcome change.
      • subhro 3y ago
        ever heard of software bugs and gps jammers? Your second EFB idea is still having a common point of failure, the E.F.B. And being a software engineer, I really do not trust software. :)
        • V-eHGsd_ 3y ago
          Having ff on an ipad and phone is really not having a “common point of failure” You do you, but I find relying on a second device (third really, the plane has gps and nav radios) and battery backups much easier than buying a new chart supplement and a bunch of charts every 2 months. Plus I have all the approach plates for every airport … trying to duplicate the functionality that I get from my setup with paper charts and plates is just practical.
          • sokoloff 3y ago
            Having the same software app running on two devices is still subject to any faults in that software package (or their compilation of their database). I think it’s fair to call that a common point of failure. You can judge that failure mode to be unlikely, of course, but you’re still making a judgment about an uncertainty.
          • throw0101a 3y ago
            > Having ff on an ipad and phone is really not having a “common point of failure” The “common point of failure” is GPS, which does have regular local/regional outages. Your instruments may be able to use VOR/DMEs, and hopefully you're able to use the VOR MON: * https://www.flyingmag.com/flying-the-mon/ https://www.flyingmag.com/flying-the-mon/ * https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/acf/media/Presentations/23-01-VOR-MON-Program.pdf https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/acf/medi... But if you're relying on a GPS approach, you may be SOL (many places don't have ILS, and only visual and GPS).
            • V-eHGsd_ 3y ago
              MON just means that there are a certain number of VORs that aren't going to be decommissioned. it's not a different kind of VOR. and they're decommissioning all of these VORs precisely because GPS is so reliable.
  • heelix 3y ago
    For me, I do that too. The tablet is my primary and tied to my stratux for ADSB/weather/GPS for navigation and awareness. Having a list of frequencies and VOR settings on the old junk I use, a marked up map is really handy. I like doing a loop around MSP (KFCM > KLVN > KSGS > KSTP > KANE > KMIC > KFCM) so a lot of frequency jumps. You can see what the EFB is more or less going to look like - so a sharpie on paper to supplement a 7" screen helps. Especially at night when everything is harder to read. https://skyvector.com/?ll=44.86894876350407,-93.3396291679065&chart=301&zoom=1&fpl=%20KFCM%20KLVN%20KSGS%20KSTP%20KANE%20KMIC%20KFCM https://skyvector.com/?ll=44.86894876350407,-93.339629167906...
• mschuster91 3y ago
  Looks like your comment was enough to send the poor FAA server into meltdown - all I get is speeds like "250 Byte/s - 9,9 KB von 155 MB".
• polishdude20 3y ago
  Man I wish Canadian charts were free. You've gotta buy them as paper charts. There's no digital download let alone a free digital download.