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I stopped using DoorDash once I saw the big 'every delivery costs an extra $5 now thanks to Seattle' modal on their front page because it's so dishonest. If the

I stopped using DoorDash once I saw the big 'every delivery costs an extra $5 now thanks to Seattle' modal on their front page because it's so dishonest. If they really have to jack their fees up that much and it's not a variable cost I can tell they're just trying to manipulate me. I don't mind fees going up some, and in contrast GrubHub isn't playing games - the fees are just higher now. That's fine if it means the drivers are getting paid more. I noticed that they adjusted the default tip percentages to be lower, so it seems like the actual cost of an order by default probably isn't higher. If the driver earns the same amount in the end (or more) that just means I'm spending less money on the "tip". EDIT: Thinking about it more, the "their wages have been slashed" phrasing in this article is also deeply dishonest. They weren't wage workers before, and still aren't! They're freelancers who rely on a steady flow of gigs and tips to earn enough every hour. If the flow has slowed then of course they're going to earn less. We can argue that the ordinance caused the flow to slow down but other factors could be at work too, like the apps adjusting recommended tip percentages.

TMWNN 3y ago
>I stopped using DoorDash once I saw the big 'every delivery costs an extra $5 now thanks to Seattle' modal on their front page because it's so dishonest. How is that dishonest? DoorDash's costs have risen because of the new law. The first three seconds of the news this discussion is about explicitly mentions the "$5 fee". >I don't mind fees going up some, and in contrast GrubHub isn't playing games - the fees are just higher now You no doubt supported the law, just like all other good bien-pensants. You just don't like seeing the consequences clearly spelled out.
- kevingadd 3y ago
  DD is dishonestly saying "the cost of this new law is $5/order". That's obviously not the case. GH just actually adjusted prices so that they are not (presumably) losing money. I'm fine with that, and they show me the new fees.
  - TMWNN 3y ago
    >DD is dishonestly saying "the cost of this new law is $5/order". That's obviously not the case. Again, open the article! As I said, in the first three second of the video that starts playing, the reporter says "$5 fee". >GH just actually adjusted prices so that they are not (presumably) losing money. I'm fine with that, and they show me the new fees. If you don't understand that GrubHub is doing the exact same thing as DoorDash but just not being up front about it, I don't know what more to say.
    - kevingadd 3y ago
      The article is repeating their dishonest characterization of the law. DD chose to just add $5 to all orders; that is not what the law requires based on any sources I have found. Here's a quote from one: > Under this PayUp policy, a pay floor must be met based on “engaged” time and miles spent on the job — from when it’s accepted/started to when it’s completed. > Minimum compensation: Network companies must pay the greater of > Minimum per-minute amount of $0.44 and a per-mile amount > OR > Minimum per-offer amount of $5 You may see a $5 there - that's the MINIMUM pay for the entire order, and it is an or, not an and. There is no obligation for them to charge an extra $5/order and pass it on to the driver. In my experience using GrubHub after these changes, they did not raise the cost of all my orders by $5.
      - TMWNN 3y ago
        >> Minimum per-minute amount of $0.44 and a per-mile amount Oh, good grief. Think, before you mindlessly quote. A $0.44 per-minute amount means that every 10 minutes = $4.44. (And that's not including whatever is the per-mile amount!) When was the last time a DoorDash order took less than 10 minutes for delivery? >You may see a $5 there - that's the MINIMUM pay for the entire order, and it is an or, not an and. There is no obligation for them to charge an extra $5/order and pass it on to the driver. There is also no obligation for DoorDash to not pass the cost on to the customer (not "driver"). To put another way, you are saying that the only correct outcome here is for DoorDash to absorb 100% of the $5 fee, no ifs, ands, or buts. But this is beside the point because, as I said, you are mindlessly quoting without thinking: >> Minimum compensation: Network companies must pay the greater of In other words, the floor for the additional fee is $5, no matter what. If anything, it sounds like DoorDash is doing customers a favor by capping the Seattle-mandated fee addition they pay at $5, with it absorbing any excess amount. Conversely, I bet some GrubHub orders' prices went up by more than $5.

TMWNN 3y ago

>I stopped using DoorDash once I saw the big 'every delivery costs an extra $5 now thanks to Seattle' modal on their front page because it's so dishonest. How is that dishonest? DoorDash's costs have risen because of the new law. The first three seconds of the news this discussion is about explicitly mentions the "$5 fee". >I don't mind fees going up some, and in contrast GrubHub isn't playing games - the fees are just higher now You no doubt supported the law, just like all other good bien-pensants. You just don't like seeing the consequences clearly spelled out.

kevingadd 3y ago
DD is dishonestly saying "the cost of this new law is $5/order". That's obviously not the case. GH just actually adjusted prices so that they are not (presumably) losing money. I'm fine with that, and they show me the new fees.
- TMWNN 3y ago
  >DD is dishonestly saying "the cost of this new law is $5/order". That's obviously not the case. Again, open the article! As I said, in the first three second of the video that starts playing, the reporter says "$5 fee". >GH just actually adjusted prices so that they are not (presumably) losing money. I'm fine with that, and they show me the new fees. If you don't understand that GrubHub is doing the exact same thing as DoorDash but just not being up front about it, I don't know what more to say.
  - kevingadd 3y ago
    The article is repeating their dishonest characterization of the law. DD chose to just add $5 to all orders; that is not what the law requires based on any sources I have found. Here's a quote from one: > Under this PayUp policy, a pay floor must be met based on “engaged” time and miles spent on the job — from when it’s accepted/started to when it’s completed. > Minimum compensation: Network companies must pay the greater of > Minimum per-minute amount of $0.44 and a per-mile amount > OR > Minimum per-offer amount of $5 You may see a $5 there - that's the MINIMUM pay for the entire order, and it is an or, not an and. There is no obligation for them to charge an extra $5/order and pass it on to the driver. In my experience using GrubHub after these changes, they did not raise the cost of all my orders by $5.
    - TMWNN 3y ago
      >> Minimum per-minute amount of $0.44 and a per-mile amount Oh, good grief. Think, before you mindlessly quote. A $0.44 per-minute amount means that every 10 minutes = $4.44. (And that's not including whatever is the per-mile amount!) When was the last time a DoorDash order took less than 10 minutes for delivery? >You may see a $5 there - that's the MINIMUM pay for the entire order, and it is an or, not an and. There is no obligation for them to charge an extra $5/order and pass it on to the driver. There is also no obligation for DoorDash to not pass the cost on to the customer (not "driver"). To put another way, you are saying that the only correct outcome here is for DoorDash to absorb 100% of the $5 fee, no ifs, ands, or buts. But this is beside the point because, as I said, you are mindlessly quoting without thinking: >> Minimum compensation: Network companies must pay the greater of In other words, the floor for the additional fee is $5, no matter what. If anything, it sounds like DoorDash is doing customers a favor by capping the Seattle-mandated fee addition they pay at $5, with it absorbing any excess amount. Conversely, I bet some GrubHub orders' prices went up by more than $5.