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> the reason the iPhone succeeded is because a lot of people gave apple the benefit of the doubt No. Maybe you're too young to remember, but the iPhone was a r

> the reason the iPhone succeeded is because a lot of people gave apple the benefit of the doubt No. Maybe you're too young to remember, but the iPhone was a revelation at the time. It was clear that everything that had come before was obsolete. Seems to be hip to trash it now based on the original specs (2G! No camera! No copy and paste!) but the alternative at that time was either a landline or a plasticky junk phone with awful software (or a BlackBerry, which could sure message a whole lot but that was about it).

TheCleric 3y ago
Yeah I had a smartphone before the iPhone (HTC Wizard) and it was clear it had gone from geeky toy to mainstream tool.
KaiserPro 3y ago
<<Aslan do not speak to me of this magic, I was there meme>> The revelation was that you could talk on your ipod, and that ipod had a really really slick interface. It was running at 60hz, vs the ~20hz of the rivals. The rest, was all marketing fluff. Apart from the itunes store, the only other thing that the iPhone had was google maps, buttery buttery smooth maps. This is kinda what I'm hinting at before. Nokia had this great roadmap to basically deliver what essentially was the ipad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet) However they fucked up the software, had internal teams at war, a conflicted road map, and a chronic inability to deliver. Meta, if they had different leadership could actually make a better, cheaper AVP. probably even with content, as there are so many streaming services out there trying to get a USP. They won't, because meta can't execute. At best meta is going to be the cheapy android of VR, at worst nokia.
- Brendinooo 3y ago
  Mobile Safari and multitouch were both revelations and revolutionary. If you were there, surely you remember WAP?
  - KaiserPro 3y ago
    I do! but WAP was pretty much dead by 2007. It was ok on black and white feature phones, but smart phones had actual browsers. A lot of them shit. Safari's interface was great. Safari was and still is, a bit shit. If you remember, a lot of sites were using flash, and safari couldn't run it (because the iphone didn't have enough ram/cpu spare) The iPhone accelerated the "booo flash is shit, lets use javascript" trend significantly. But that was because the iphone was weak, not because it was strong. More over, it had a critical mass of people that were both webdevs, and target market. In the same way that AVP can't operate on trains/cars that move too much (IMU is used to speed up SLAM) I'm sure there will be a lot of "oh don't use AVP as a passenger, its bad for your health" when its just that the hardware cant do it, without an external IMU reference.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  > Apart from the itunes store, the only other thing that the iPhone had was google maps, buttery buttery smooth maps. And a _usable browser_, don't forget. No other smartphone at the time had a browser that you could use for more than a few minutes without getting a powerful urge to throw the thing out the window.
  - lostmsu 3y ago
    Opera has been usable on mobile since forever (and I am not talking about Mini).
seec 3y ago
Yeah, this completely piss me off nowadays, the current crop of Apple cultist has insane history revisionism built-in to fit their narrative on how Apple will prevail in the end, because history says so (yet in the recent past history has proved Apple is lost in the woods...). But yes the original iPhone was way beyond anything on the market, no matter how much money you wanted to spend and it's shortcoming where very easy "fixes" that anyone could see coming rather shortly. The reason iPhone succeeded was because it was a much better product than anything else in its category and anyone who used it for a few minutes could see that right away, the only objection was the price... In contrast, for the AVP even tech enthusiasts will object to the price before even trying and after they will object to many things because it's not that useful and it's not even that good, at any price...

TheCleric 3y ago

Yeah I had a smartphone before the iPhone (HTC Wizard) and it was clear it had gone from geeky toy to mainstream tool.

KaiserPro 3y ago

<<Aslan do not speak to me of this magic, I was there meme>> The revelation was that you could talk on your ipod, and that ipod had a really really slick interface. It was running at 60hz, vs the ~20hz of the rivals. The rest, was all marketing fluff. Apart from the itunes store, the only other thing that the iPhone had was google maps, buttery buttery smooth maps. This is kinda what I'm hinting at before. Nokia had this great roadmap to basically deliver what essentially was the ipad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770_Internet_Tablet) However they fucked up the software, had internal teams at war, a conflicted road map, and a chronic inability to deliver. Meta, if they had different leadership could actually make a better, cheaper AVP. probably even with content, as there are so many streaming services out there trying to get a USP. They won't, because meta can't execute. At best meta is going to be the cheapy android of VR, at worst nokia.

Brendinooo 3y ago
Mobile Safari and multitouch were both revelations and revolutionary. If you were there, surely you remember WAP?
- KaiserPro 3y ago
  I do! but WAP was pretty much dead by 2007. It was ok on black and white feature phones, but smart phones had actual browsers. A lot of them shit. Safari's interface was great. Safari was and still is, a bit shit. If you remember, a lot of sites were using flash, and safari couldn't run it (because the iphone didn't have enough ram/cpu spare) The iPhone accelerated the "booo flash is shit, lets use javascript" trend significantly. But that was because the iphone was weak, not because it was strong. More over, it had a critical mass of people that were both webdevs, and target market. In the same way that AVP can't operate on trains/cars that move too much (IMU is used to speed up SLAM) I'm sure there will be a lot of "oh don't use AVP as a passenger, its bad for your health" when its just that the hardware cant do it, without an external IMU reference.
rsynnott 3y ago
> Apart from the itunes store, the only other thing that the iPhone had was google maps, buttery buttery smooth maps. And a _usable browser_, don't forget. No other smartphone at the time had a browser that you could use for more than a few minutes without getting a powerful urge to throw the thing out the window.
- lostmsu 3y ago
  Opera has been usable on mobile since forever (and I am not talking about Mini).

seec 3y ago

Yeah, this completely piss me off nowadays, the current crop of Apple cultist has insane history revisionism built-in to fit their narrative on how Apple will prevail in the end, because history says so (yet in the recent past history has proved Apple is lost in the woods...). But yes the original iPhone was way beyond anything on the market, no matter how much money you wanted to spend and it's shortcoming where very easy "fixes" that anyone could see coming rather shortly. The reason iPhone succeeded was because it was a much better product than anything else in its category and anyone who used it for a few minutes could see that right away, the only objection was the price... In contrast, for the AVP even tech enthusiasts will object to the price before even trying and after they will object to many things because it's not that useful and it's not even that good, at any price...