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The cost is more or less the standard price of admission for early adopter stuff. Not worth it for everybody clearly, but worth considering for those who like r

The cost is more or less the standard price of admission for early adopter stuff. Not worth it for everybody clearly, but worth considering for those who like riding the wave as a platform matures from the start. I don’t think I’d take it out in public, except maybe on a plane or in an airport lounge.

asadotzler 3y ago
Not really. Quest is early adopter stuff and it's $300-500, about a tenth of the price. Steamdeck, Raspberry Pi, these are early adopter hardware and they're all sub-$500. I've been buying enthusiast hardware since the '80s and, no, $3500 is not the price of admission. I can't think of a single piece of enthusiast gear I've ever run across in computers or electronic music, that was that expensive unless it was a collectors item, one of a kind, or some other factor which absolutely does not apply to the Vision Pro which Apple markets as having mainstream appeal (see the commercials if you want to know how Apple is positioning this thing, and it's without a doubt not enthusiast or early adopters.) Are you sucking up to Apple here because you like Apple or because you like VR, or is there some other reason?
- jwells89 3y ago
  As an owner and frequent user of a Quest 2 (and a original Rift) I don’t really seem them as being in the same category as the AVP. They’re obviously related, but have significantly different trajectories, and I think visionOS in particular fares a much better chance of working well across a variety of form factors than anything Meta has.
- dagmx 3y ago
  You’re conflating enthusiast with early adopter. The Quest is not early adopter, it is several generations in, and is the culmination of multiple product lines. The original Rift or the Vive were early adopter for this generation of VR headsets, excluding multiple previous attempts at the market. Factoring in the attached PC needed to drive the experience, they were expensive. The raspberry pi was not an early adopter system. It was a consumer friendly evolution of many SBCs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer?wprov=sfti1#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer?wprov=sf...). Lots of music equipment is very expensive. People pay thousands for synths and thousands for musical instruments. The Yamaha GX1/707 was 60k at launch. The macintosh was over 7k in today’s money. The first HD TVs for consumers started in the 7k range. I’m not sure how you’re defining “early adopter” but nothing you listed is early adopter. All your examples are quite late in the respective areas, when they were getting targeted for mass consumer adoption.

asadotzler 3y ago

Not really. Quest is early adopter stuff and it's $300-500, about a tenth of the price. Steamdeck, Raspberry Pi, these are early adopter hardware and they're all sub-$500. I've been buying enthusiast hardware since the '80s and, no, $3500 is not the price of admission. I can't think of a single piece of enthusiast gear I've ever run across in computers or electronic music, that was that expensive unless it was a collectors item, one of a kind, or some other factor which absolutely does not apply to the Vision Pro which Apple markets as having mainstream appeal (see the commercials if you want to know how Apple is positioning this thing, and it's without a doubt not enthusiast or early adopters.) Are you sucking up to Apple here because you like Apple or because you like VR, or is there some other reason?

jwells89 3y ago
As an owner and frequent user of a Quest 2 (and a original Rift) I don’t really seem them as being in the same category as the AVP. They’re obviously related, but have significantly different trajectories, and I think visionOS in particular fares a much better chance of working well across a variety of form factors than anything Meta has.
dagmx 3y ago
You’re conflating enthusiast with early adopter. The Quest is not early adopter, it is several generations in, and is the culmination of multiple product lines. The original Rift or the Vive were early adopter for this generation of VR headsets, excluding multiple previous attempts at the market. Factoring in the attached PC needed to drive the experience, they were expensive. The raspberry pi was not an early adopter system. It was a consumer friendly evolution of many SBCs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer?wprov=sfti1#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer?wprov=sf...). Lots of music equipment is very expensive. People pay thousands for synths and thousands for musical instruments. The Yamaha GX1/707 was 60k at launch. The macintosh was over 7k in today’s money. The first HD TVs for consumers started in the 7k range. I’m not sure how you’re defining “early adopter” but nothing you listed is early adopter. All your examples are quite late in the respective areas, when they were getting targeted for mass consumer adoption.