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On Day 2. It's genuinely amazing. It's really a fantastic product all around and surprisingly useful. Watching Gravity last night in the "theater room" was a tr

On Day 2. It's genuinely amazing. It's really a fantastic product all around and surprisingly useful. Watching Gravity last night in the "theater room" was a truly special, immersive experience. I just threw it on to see what it would be like and ended up watching the whole thing. What surprised me the most, though, is that when you put it on — the pass-through is certainly nothing convincing. I had the impression that reality would look like reality, but the truth is it looks like a sort of lower-fidelity, grainier, hazier dream world version of reality. In practice, this doesn't matter much. Once you start doing work VisionOS windows are sharp and look great and that "dream world" is more in your peripheral. It's not distracting, but it was surprising. I'm not entirely sure it matters but it is perhaps noteworthy. Is it a must-have product, money aside? No, I don't think so. It can be tiring on the eyes and it's certainly not replacing my Mac anytime soon, but I absolutely buy into the notion that this is in some form the future of computing.

partiallypro 3y ago
The movie experience is available on MUCH cheaper headsets though. Sure, it's cool...but what feature really makes it worth so much aside from it having been made by Apple?
- Kluggy 3y ago
  The picture quality is absolutely amazing. Between the Quest 2 and the Vision pro, the difference is similar to SD to HD tv (480p to 1080p). It's a huge leap forward, and for spatial videos, it's an entirely different feeling.
- nilkn 3y ago
  Is it, though? On the AVP it looks better than an actual theater and almost as good as a $5k 80+ inch OLED TV at home. The fidelity is incredible and well beyond anything I’ve seen before from a VR headset.
- dagmx 3y ago
  A movie experience is available not the same movie experience. No cheaper headset has these movies available in 4K HDR 3D with optional HFR. That has simply not existed for the home market till now. No cheaper headset has the same native streaming apps capable of delivering 4k streams. No cheaper headset has the color accuracy and resolution. You might as well make the same argument about someone upgrading from a 720p TV to a 4k one. Remember, implementation is often more important than just a feature on paper. The iPhone killed off cheaper devices that did everything it did because it did the core things better. The same goes for the iPod and the iPad. Anyone who compares features without an eye for implementation is missing the forest for the trees.
  - goosedragons 3y ago
    You can watch 4K streams on a Oculus Quest with Bigscreen. They will also do 3D movies and Bigscreen rents them. HDR is missing and the resolution and color accuracy is lower but you can buy 6 Meta Quest 3s for the price. I don't think Apple has ever shipped a product with a bigger price discrepancy to it's competitors than AVP. It's not moderately more expensive and better but massively more expensive.
    - dagmx 3y ago
      You’re skipping the majority of my points. Yes you can technically do each of those things in isolation , but you literally have no way to access these mainstream movies as 4K 3D before the Vision Pro, because they were not available. You could choose one or the other, not both. and it does not matter if I can buy 7 meta quest 3s for the price. All 7 would not be able to do the things the Vision Pro enables. Maybe it doesn’t make financial sense to you, I don’t really care, because that is subjective. But let’s not be deceitful by trying to disregard the delta in quality as meaningless either.
      - goosedragons 3y ago
        Is the bitrate of the 4K 3D streams better than what's offered on the commercially available 3D Blu-rays? I've made 3D Blu-ray rips and watched them on the Quest 2 and they look pretty good. There's no technical reason a Quest device couldn't do 4K 3D movies, Disney and others just don't seem to bother for whatever reason.
penjelly 3y ago
watching a movie in VR networked with other people is something i did 3 years ago with the valve index, and yes it was immersive and enjoyable. This isnt unique to apple vision, we should all realize that.
- secstate 3y ago
  Realize that AND acknowledge that it's been three years, and the tech has failed to take off, especially the way phones have. This could still be a V1 iPod or V1 iPhone thing, but between these initial responses, the history of the market and (the biggest) a missing Steve Jobs to do his Steve Jobs thing on it, I'm just not buying it. Cook is his own brand of genius, but they haven't disrupted much since Jobs passed on.
  - penjelly 3y ago
    searches say over 20 million meta quests 1-3 sold and tech reporting already claims quest "has gone mainstream" back in 2021, so i dont think your point holds up. What has apple done that meta has not here? My view is Meta has done far more for adoption than a product released 2 days ago and sure AVP honeymoon phase is exciting, especially so for those who've never tried VR before. https://www.techradar.com/news/oculus-quest-2-sales-figures-prove-vr-has-finally-gone-mainstream https://www.techradar.com/news/oculus-quest-2-sales-figures-...
    - asadotzler 3y ago
      There are 6 million monthly users for Quest after a decade of releases. If Apple does 10X that in their first decade of AVP, highly unlikely, this will still be a huge failure of a platform with fewer than half of MacOS' users. This tech cannot evolve to something mainstreamable and was best left in the lab. This is Apple shipping a slightly improved DynaTAK when people need at least a StarTAK and people would actually like an iPhone 1. Jobs would never have released this. He's have done what he did with phones, waited until the tech was good enough that regular people could at least imagine a few versions improving it enough to love. AVP is two or three decades away from that.
alsetmusic 3y ago
I got mine on launch day. I didn’t read the emails from Apple about the prescription lenses coming separately by mail. That caused me to miss them when they were delivered in the morning. I started with temporary (disposable) contacts that weren’t quite the right script (freebies from the optometrist who updated my prescription). I was disappointed. It wasnt the marvel of eye tracking I’d hoped it would be. But as soon as I got the lenses in later that day, everything was much nicer. Eye tracking, image quality, all of it. I like it more each day. I’ve been on the home-theater projector train for over a decade. I have a 4K projector and this blows it out of the water. My extra BT kbds both failed to turn on, so I haven’t used it for work, yet. But I’m eager. My first game with is projects a skate park and you control a guy on a board. It’s decent, but looks cool. The speakers are unreasonably good for their size. It’s a solid device. I just hope Apple doesn’t mismanage it like they have the iPad.

partiallypro 3y ago

The movie experience is available on MUCH cheaper headsets though. Sure, it's cool...but what feature really makes it worth so much aside from it having been made by Apple?

Kluggy 3y ago
The picture quality is absolutely amazing. Between the Quest 2 and the Vision pro, the difference is similar to SD to HD tv (480p to 1080p). It's a huge leap forward, and for spatial videos, it's an entirely different feeling.
nilkn 3y ago
Is it, though? On the AVP it looks better than an actual theater and almost as good as a $5k 80+ inch OLED TV at home. The fidelity is incredible and well beyond anything I’ve seen before from a VR headset.
dagmx 3y ago
A movie experience is available not the same movie experience. No cheaper headset has these movies available in 4K HDR 3D with optional HFR. That has simply not existed for the home market till now. No cheaper headset has the same native streaming apps capable of delivering 4k streams. No cheaper headset has the color accuracy and resolution. You might as well make the same argument about someone upgrading from a 720p TV to a 4k one. Remember, implementation is often more important than just a feature on paper. The iPhone killed off cheaper devices that did everything it did because it did the core things better. The same goes for the iPod and the iPad. Anyone who compares features without an eye for implementation is missing the forest for the trees.
- goosedragons 3y ago
  You can watch 4K streams on a Oculus Quest with Bigscreen. They will also do 3D movies and Bigscreen rents them. HDR is missing and the resolution and color accuracy is lower but you can buy 6 Meta Quest 3s for the price. I don't think Apple has ever shipped a product with a bigger price discrepancy to it's competitors than AVP. It's not moderately more expensive and better but massively more expensive.
  - dagmx 3y ago
    You’re skipping the majority of my points. Yes you can technically do each of those things in isolation , but you literally have no way to access these mainstream movies as 4K 3D before the Vision Pro, because they were not available. You could choose one or the other, not both. and it does not matter if I can buy 7 meta quest 3s for the price. All 7 would not be able to do the things the Vision Pro enables. Maybe it doesn’t make financial sense to you, I don’t really care, because that is subjective. But let’s not be deceitful by trying to disregard the delta in quality as meaningless either.
    - goosedragons 3y ago
      Is the bitrate of the 4K 3D streams better than what's offered on the commercially available 3D Blu-rays? I've made 3D Blu-ray rips and watched them on the Quest 2 and they look pretty good. There's no technical reason a Quest device couldn't do 4K 3D movies, Disney and others just don't seem to bother for whatever reason.

penjelly 3y ago

watching a movie in VR networked with other people is something i did 3 years ago with the valve index, and yes it was immersive and enjoyable. This isnt unique to apple vision, we should all realize that.

secstate 3y ago
Realize that AND acknowledge that it's been three years, and the tech has failed to take off, especially the way phones have. This could still be a V1 iPod or V1 iPhone thing, but between these initial responses, the history of the market and (the biggest) a missing Steve Jobs to do his Steve Jobs thing on it, I'm just not buying it. Cook is his own brand of genius, but they haven't disrupted much since Jobs passed on.
- penjelly 3y ago
  searches say over 20 million meta quests 1-3 sold and tech reporting already claims quest "has gone mainstream" back in 2021, so i dont think your point holds up. What has apple done that meta has not here? My view is Meta has done far more for adoption than a product released 2 days ago and sure AVP honeymoon phase is exciting, especially so for those who've never tried VR before. https://www.techradar.com/news/oculus-quest-2-sales-figures-prove-vr-has-finally-gone-mainstream https://www.techradar.com/news/oculus-quest-2-sales-figures-...
  - asadotzler 3y ago
    There are 6 million monthly users for Quest after a decade of releases. If Apple does 10X that in their first decade of AVP, highly unlikely, this will still be a huge failure of a platform with fewer than half of MacOS' users. This tech cannot evolve to something mainstreamable and was best left in the lab. This is Apple shipping a slightly improved DynaTAK when people need at least a StarTAK and people would actually like an iPhone 1. Jobs would never have released this. He's have done what he did with phones, waited until the tech was good enough that regular people could at least imagine a few versions improving it enough to love. AVP is two or three decades away from that.

alsetmusic 3y ago

I got mine on launch day. I didn’t read the emails from Apple about the prescription lenses coming separately by mail. That caused me to miss them when they were delivered in the morning. I started with temporary (disposable) contacts that weren’t quite the right script (freebies from the optometrist who updated my prescription). I was disappointed. It wasnt the marvel of eye tracking I’d hoped it would be. But as soon as I got the lenses in later that day, everything was much nicer. Eye tracking, image quality, all of it. I like it more each day. I’ve been on the home-theater projector train for over a decade. I have a 4K projector and this blows it out of the water. My extra BT kbds both failed to turn on, so I haven’t used it for work, yet. But I’m eager. My first game with is projects a skate park and you control a guy on a board. It’s decent, but looks cool. The speakers are unreasonably good for their size. It’s a solid device. I just hope Apple doesn’t mismanage it like they have the iPad.