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If they want to improve and gain wider adoption, they should try eating their dogfood. Give Apple developers the VP treatment and see what they do with it, fix

by kurthr 3y ago

If they want to improve and gain wider adoption, they should try eating their dogfood. Give Apple developers the VP treatment and see what they do with it, fix the problems, enable the features, and make the real use models work. Just having the right few thousand people use it a couple of hours a day a few days a week could have a big impact (or kill it and move on to something that will). Or save a few million and let it languish for years, draining billions.

mminer237 3y ago
If they want mass adoption, they need to drop the price by a factor of 4.
- 999900000999 3y ago
  Personally I'd be down if it got to 1700$ or so.
- kurthr 3y ago
  Why, they'd just sell out since they can't manufacture more than a few million? Seriously, you drop the price once you're past first adopters, which you do after you know what your features are, who your target customers are, and how to make enough of them. Maybe software is different. Total VR sales are only 15-20million a year. They're not looking to take more than 10% of that with a first product.
  - mminer237 3y ago
    I'm saying for mass adoption. I don't think it's going to happen either way, but if Mr. Patel is wanting specially-crafted AR advertising "experiences", I don't think it will be common for companies to invest in that to target even just 10% of the population.
asdff 3y ago
People aren't even widely adopting the $899 macbook air, this thing is totally doomed at $3500. You'd be developing for probably a few tens of thousands of active users worldwide.
- kurthr 3y ago
  If thousands of those are internal developers, then they'll either find a use case or kill it.
- textadventure 3y ago
  How is it doomed? It's selling, and most people are liking it more than they are disliking it. And with like any new category of product (all based on existing tech, but there is no alternative to the Vision Pro, that does the same things), there is people that are going to make wild predictions of its failure, like they did with the iPad. So yeah, VR/AR headsets aren't going to replace smartphones anytime soon. But they don't NEED to. And it costs $3500 NOW, first generation product, but there is a reason why the put "Pro" in the name, the implication being that they fully intend to do a more affordable version. So as usual, it's not going to be any of the extreme predictions. It's neither going to be a total failure that Apple will stop manufacturing them, nor is it going to be such an overnight success that the average joe will stop paying their mortgage and instead get a gadget.
  - asdff 3y ago
    It has no market. Sales will peter out to nothing after the hype because there just aren't a lot of customers out there who can drop that kind of dosh on a computer at all, let alone something that isn't nearly as capable as a computer like a headset. When you look at the sales of apples higher price SKU computers they are terrible. Mac studio sales for example are 1% of their mac sales (1). There just aren't many fish in the sea biting at these prices. https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/09/apples-most-popular-mac/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/09/apples-most-popular-mac/
    - textadventure 3y ago
      > It has no market. You don't know that, it's way too early to tell. > Sales will peter out to nothing after the hype because there just aren't a lot of customers out there who can drop that kind of dosh on a computer at all, let alone something that isn't nearly as capable as a computer like a headset But A) There are people who do spend that much on a computer and tech in general and B) Just because it may lose momentum after the hype doesn't mean it's a failure. If you want such a product to succeed, you are going to have to bankroll it and invest on it for a few year for it to get a legitimate chance. > Mac studio sales for example are 1% of their mac sales And the places that have them, wouldn't have any other product. They work with Macs and they will continue to buy these premium Macs until the end of time. It's a small market but it's a loyal market, especially when entire industries (like film post production, the recording industry, pro photography, graphic design) are all Mac-based. So this just seems like a generic anti-Apple rant.

by kurthr 3y ago

mminer237 3y ago

If they want mass adoption, they need to drop the price by a factor of 4.

999900000999 3y ago
Personally I'd be down if it got to 1700$ or so.
kurthr 3y ago
Why, they'd just sell out since they can't manufacture more than a few million? Seriously, you drop the price once you're past first adopters, which you do after you know what your features are, who your target customers are, and how to make enough of them. Maybe software is different. Total VR sales are only 15-20million a year. They're not looking to take more than 10% of that with a first product.
- mminer237 3y ago
  I'm saying for mass adoption. I don't think it's going to happen either way, but if Mr. Patel is wanting specially-crafted AR advertising "experiences", I don't think it will be common for companies to invest in that to target even just 10% of the population.

asdff 3y ago

People aren't even widely adopting the $899 macbook air, this thing is totally doomed at $3500. You'd be developing for probably a few tens of thousands of active users worldwide.

kurthr 3y ago
If thousands of those are internal developers, then they'll either find a use case or kill it.
textadventure 3y ago
How is it doomed? It's selling, and most people are liking it more than they are disliking it. And with like any new category of product (all based on existing tech, but there is no alternative to the Vision Pro, that does the same things), there is people that are going to make wild predictions of its failure, like they did with the iPad. So yeah, VR/AR headsets aren't going to replace smartphones anytime soon. But they don't NEED to. And it costs $3500 NOW, first generation product, but there is a reason why the put "Pro" in the name, the implication being that they fully intend to do a more affordable version. So as usual, it's not going to be any of the extreme predictions. It's neither going to be a total failure that Apple will stop manufacturing them, nor is it going to be such an overnight success that the average joe will stop paying their mortgage and instead get a gadget.
- asdff 3y ago
  It has no market. Sales will peter out to nothing after the hype because there just aren't a lot of customers out there who can drop that kind of dosh on a computer at all, let alone something that isn't nearly as capable as a computer like a headset. When you look at the sales of apples higher price SKU computers they are terrible. Mac studio sales for example are 1% of their mac sales (1). There just aren't many fish in the sea biting at these prices. https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/09/apples-most-popular-mac/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/09/apples-most-popular-mac/
  - textadventure 3y ago
    > It has no market. You don't know that, it's way too early to tell. > Sales will peter out to nothing after the hype because there just aren't a lot of customers out there who can drop that kind of dosh on a computer at all, let alone something that isn't nearly as capable as a computer like a headset But A) There are people who do spend that much on a computer and tech in general and B) Just because it may lose momentum after the hype doesn't mean it's a failure. If you want such a product to succeed, you are going to have to bankroll it and invest on it for a few year for it to get a legitimate chance. > Mac studio sales for example are 1% of their mac sales And the places that have them, wouldn't have any other product. They work with Macs and they will continue to buy these premium Macs until the end of time. It's a small market but it's a loyal market, especially when entire industries (like film post production, the recording industry, pro photography, graphic design) are all Mac-based. So this just seems like a generic anti-Apple rant.