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I’m still experimenting but thus far I’ve found it to be nice for lounging usage (couch, bed, etc) because it lets me keep my head up and eyes focused several f

I’m still experimenting but thus far I’ve found it to be nice for lounging usage (couch, bed, etc) because it lets me keep my head up and eyes focused several feet away instead of down and a few inches away. It does need more apps but those are coming along at a decent pace, and if necessary I can write what I need.

whartung 3y ago
But is it $3500 nice? I mean, there was a picture of a pair of guys wearing them out in public, eating food or something. And, you know, that's almost $8000 (with tax) of equipment there in that cafe stuck on those heads. Make no mistake, its not a criticism at all, I hope you enjoy your purchase. Maybe those guys eating were watching Iron Man or something.
- jwells89 3y ago
  The cost is more or less the standard price of admission for early adopter stuff. Not worth it for everybody clearly, but worth considering for those who like riding the wave as a platform matures from the start. I don’t think I’d take it out in public, except maybe on a plane or in an airport lounge.
  - asadotzler 3y ago
    Not really. Quest is early adopter stuff and it's $300-500, about a tenth of the price. Steamdeck, Raspberry Pi, these are early adopter hardware and they're all sub-$500. I've been buying enthusiast hardware since the '80s and, no, $3500 is not the price of admission. I can't think of a single piece of enthusiast gear I've ever run across in computers or electronic music, that was that expensive unless it was a collectors item, one of a kind, or some other factor which absolutely does not apply to the Vision Pro which Apple markets as having mainstream appeal (see the commercials if you want to know how Apple is positioning this thing, and it's without a doubt not enthusiast or early adopters.) Are you sucking up to Apple here because you like Apple or because you like VR, or is there some other reason?
    - jwells89 3y ago
      As an owner and frequent user of a Quest 2 (and a original Rift) I don’t really seem them as being in the same category as the AVP. They’re obviously related, but have significantly different trajectories, and I think visionOS in particular fares a much better chance of working well across a variety of form factors than anything Meta has.
    - dagmx 3y ago
      You’re conflating enthusiast with early adopter. The Quest is not early adopter, it is several generations in, and is the culmination of multiple product lines. The original Rift or the Vive were early adopter for this generation of VR headsets, excluding multiple previous attempts at the market. Factoring in the attached PC needed to drive the experience, they were expensive. The raspberry pi was not an early adopter system. It was a consumer friendly evolution of many SBCs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer?wprov=sfti1#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer?wprov=sf...). Lots of music equipment is very expensive. People pay thousands for synths and thousands for musical instruments. The Yamaha GX1/707 was 60k at launch. The macintosh was over 7k in today’s money. The first HD TVs for consumers started in the 7k range. I’m not sure how you’re defining “early adopter” but nothing you listed is early adopter. All your examples are quite late in the respective areas, when they were getting targeted for mass consumer adoption.
- textadventure 3y ago
  > But is it $3500 nice? That's going to be entirely subjective and widely dependent on the wallet and finances of whomever you ask, and how badly they been wanting a VR/AR computer thingy.
alphabettsy 3y ago
Yea, one of my favorite things has actually been the ability to lay back on the sofa looking at the ceiling watching a movie on a massive screen.
MikeTheGreat 3y ago
> if necessary I can write what I need. I understand that this is probably an off-the-cuff comment (and no judgement for it), but it got me curious: What sort of apps do you think you might need (or want) for this, and how much work do you think it would be to write them? Like, I can see myself putting together a CLI or a web app to help organize and collate my work (and I have) but I don't see myself creating a word processor. I'm curious to hear what you (and anyone else) would see as a useful app for this device :)
- jwells89 3y ago
  > I'm curious to hear what you (and anyone else) would see as a useful app for this device :) Still figuring this out, but most things that are useful as phone or tablet apps for one since you don’t want to switch to other devices if you don’t have to when you’re using it. Some sites would be better as apps too, because similar to how the web was clunky on early iPhones it’s also kind of clunky on the Vision Pro due to there not really being web affordances for AR/VR environments (aside from the immersive stuff typical of WebXR). Integrations with Xcode and Android Studio on my Mac, allowing simulators and connected devices to appear as floating panes in visionOS might be cool.

whartung 3y ago

But is it $3500 nice? I mean, there was a picture of a pair of guys wearing them out in public, eating food or something. And, you know, that's almost $8000 (with tax) of equipment there in that cafe stuck on those heads. Make no mistake, its not a criticism at all, I hope you enjoy your purchase. Maybe those guys eating were watching Iron Man or something.

jwells89 3y ago
The cost is more or less the standard price of admission for early adopter stuff. Not worth it for everybody clearly, but worth considering for those who like riding the wave as a platform matures from the start. I don’t think I’d take it out in public, except maybe on a plane or in an airport lounge.
- asadotzler 3y ago
  Not really. Quest is early adopter stuff and it's $300-500, about a tenth of the price. Steamdeck, Raspberry Pi, these are early adopter hardware and they're all sub-$500. I've been buying enthusiast hardware since the '80s and, no, $3500 is not the price of admission. I can't think of a single piece of enthusiast gear I've ever run across in computers or electronic music, that was that expensive unless it was a collectors item, one of a kind, or some other factor which absolutely does not apply to the Vision Pro which Apple markets as having mainstream appeal (see the commercials if you want to know how Apple is positioning this thing, and it's without a doubt not enthusiast or early adopters.) Are you sucking up to Apple here because you like Apple or because you like VR, or is there some other reason?
  - jwells89 3y ago
    As an owner and frequent user of a Quest 2 (and a original Rift) I don’t really seem them as being in the same category as the AVP. They’re obviously related, but have significantly different trajectories, and I think visionOS in particular fares a much better chance of working well across a variety of form factors than anything Meta has.
  - dagmx 3y ago
    You’re conflating enthusiast with early adopter. The Quest is not early adopter, it is several generations in, and is the culmination of multiple product lines. The original Rift or the Vive were early adopter for this generation of VR headsets, excluding multiple previous attempts at the market. Factoring in the attached PC needed to drive the experience, they were expensive. The raspberry pi was not an early adopter system. It was a consumer friendly evolution of many SBCs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer?wprov=sfti1#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer?wprov=sf...). Lots of music equipment is very expensive. People pay thousands for synths and thousands for musical instruments. The Yamaha GX1/707 was 60k at launch. The macintosh was over 7k in today’s money. The first HD TVs for consumers started in the 7k range. I’m not sure how you’re defining “early adopter” but nothing you listed is early adopter. All your examples are quite late in the respective areas, when they were getting targeted for mass consumer adoption.
textadventure 3y ago
> But is it $3500 nice? That's going to be entirely subjective and widely dependent on the wallet and finances of whomever you ask, and how badly they been wanting a VR/AR computer thingy.

alphabettsy 3y ago

Yea, one of my favorite things has actually been the ability to lay back on the sofa looking at the ceiling watching a movie on a massive screen.

MikeTheGreat 3y ago

> if necessary I can write what I need. I understand that this is probably an off-the-cuff comment (and no judgement for it), but it got me curious: What sort of apps do you think you might need (or want) for this, and how much work do you think it would be to write them? Like, I can see myself putting together a CLI or a web app to help organize and collate my work (and I have) but I don't see myself creating a word processor. I'm curious to hear what you (and anyone else) would see as a useful app for this device :)

jwells89 3y ago
> I'm curious to hear what you (and anyone else) would see as a useful app for this device :) Still figuring this out, but most things that are useful as phone or tablet apps for one since you don’t want to switch to other devices if you don’t have to when you’re using it. Some sites would be better as apps too, because similar to how the web was clunky on early iPhones it’s also kind of clunky on the Vision Pro due to there not really being web affordances for AR/VR environments (aside from the immersive stuff typical of WebXR). Integrations with Xcode and Android Studio on my Mac, allowing simulators and connected devices to appear as floating panes in visionOS might be cool.