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Impressive, but also the country has fewer people than NYC.

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matthewdgreen 3y ago
Norway is basically a test case. They're a rich country that can afford to subsidize BEVs and penalize ICE, so they're deploying first. This gives the rest of the world a demonstration that large-scale nationwide vehicle electrification is completely feasible, even in a harsh climate. (It's not a perfect test case, because there are some differences that make EVs a little easier in Norway and also a little more challenging, such as the cold weather.) It's good to have a test case, since improving BEV economics are going to eventually make them dominant almost everywhere.
- dangus 3y ago
  Most new car buyers in Europe are already paying more than the cost of a BYD Dolphin. It’s really not about subsidy anymore. Taxing ICE cars is something many countries can just go ahead and do without very many negative consequences if you ask me.
- thelastgallon 3y ago
  There is no penalizing ICE. Fossil fuels subsidies are $7 trillion/year: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022 https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022 If fossil fuels are not subsidized, 100% of car sales will be EVs.
  - thelastgallon 3y ago
    I don't understand the downvotes.
CogitoCogito 3y ago
Does that make the achievement easier?
- sneed_chucker 3y ago
  Uh yeah? Lots of stuff is fundamentally easier with only 5 million people, especially if the population is highly urbanized like Norway. For one thing, roughly speaking around 15 million EVs are produced a year right now. So ignoring politics, economics, administration and operating purely on the basis of what's physically possible, each Norwegian could have 3 electric cars this year if we sent all EV production capacity to them. Meanwhile Germany has around 80 million people, France and UK around 70m each, Italy around 60m, and Poland around 40m. So for any of these culturally, politically, and economically similar countries, even in the hypothetical scenario here where we direct all of the global production of EVs to one country it would take multiple years for every person to get just one. Ok, now consider that Russia, Japan, and Mexico each have well over 100 million people. Pakistan and Brazil have over 200m, the USA over 300m, China and India are both over 1.4 billion. So yeah, I'd say it's definitely much easier to hit national percentage targets when you're working with 5 million people...
  - thelastgallon 3y ago
    EVs reached 33% of sales in China, 35% in Germany: https://apnews.com/article/automakers-electric-vehicles-us-china-sales-d121c09a61f50e7357f5675af4b6056b https://apnews.com/article/automakers-electric-vehicles-us-c...

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Norway is basically a test case. They're a rich country that can afford to subsidize BEVs and penalize ICE, so they're deploying first. This gives the rest of the world a demonstration that large-scale nationwide vehicle electrification is completely feasible, even in a harsh climate. (It's not a perfect test case, because there are some differences that make EVs a little easier in Norway and also a little more challenging, such as the cold weather.) It's good to have a test case, since improving BEV economics are going to eventually make them dominant almost everywhere.

dangus 3y ago
Most new car buyers in Europe are already paying more than the cost of a BYD Dolphin. It’s really not about subsidy anymore. Taxing ICE cars is something many countries can just go ahead and do without very many negative consequences if you ask me.
thelastgallon 3y ago
There is no penalizing ICE. Fossil fuels subsidies are $7 trillion/year: https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022 https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuel-subsidies-2022 If fossil fuels are not subsidized, 100% of car sales will be EVs.
- thelastgallon 3y ago
  I don't understand the downvotes.

CogitoCogito 3y ago

Does that make the achievement easier?

sneed_chucker 3y ago
Uh yeah? Lots of stuff is fundamentally easier with only 5 million people, especially if the population is highly urbanized like Norway. For one thing, roughly speaking around 15 million EVs are produced a year right now. So ignoring politics, economics, administration and operating purely on the basis of what's physically possible, each Norwegian could have 3 electric cars this year if we sent all EV production capacity to them. Meanwhile Germany has around 80 million people, France and UK around 70m each, Italy around 60m, and Poland around 40m. So for any of these culturally, politically, and economically similar countries, even in the hypothetical scenario here where we direct all of the global production of EVs to one country it would take multiple years for every person to get just one. Ok, now consider that Russia, Japan, and Mexico each have well over 100 million people. Pakistan and Brazil have over 200m, the USA over 300m, China and India are both over 1.4 billion. So yeah, I'd say it's definitely much easier to hit national percentage targets when you're working with 5 million people...
- thelastgallon 3y ago
  EVs reached 33% of sales in China, 35% in Germany: https://apnews.com/article/automakers-electric-vehicles-us-china-sales-d121c09a61f50e7357f5675af4b6056b https://apnews.com/article/automakers-electric-vehicles-us-c...