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You're absolutely right but that's not what's being done when the community income is being used rather than family income. This leads to many complexities, inj

• SamBam 3y ago
  People gaming the system? Are affluent kids moving into housing projects in order to get admitted into Dartmouth? The fact is if they're in a public school in an underserved area, they are most likely going to a disadvantaged public school, and face strong headwinds trying to achieve the kinds of scores kids in affluent neighborhoods get. Note also that multiple factors are being looked at.
  • Jun8 3y ago
    No, I've provided a detailed example for Chicago's Selective High School Enrollment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39266951 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39266951. Generally when such systems are implemented the levels are not binary, e.g. housing project vs affluent suburb. My point was that for some bimodal neighborhoods using the neighborhood income average is not effective. Is there a national, annually updated list of neighborhood underserved-ness list?
  • bhickey 3y ago
    > Are affluent kids moving into housing projects in order to get admitted into Dartmouth? This came up in Boston Public Schools. Admission to Boston Latin took into account the portion of a student body eligible for free lunch. It became mathematically impossible to be admitted to Latin if you weren't coming from a low income school.
    • SamBam 3y ago
      > It became mathematically impossible to be admitted to Latin if you weren't coming from a low income school. I don't believe this is true, but if you have citations I'd be happy to hear them. For instance, their accountability data [1] shows that, in 2023, out of 409 kids taking their ELA MCAS test, 92 were categorized as "low income." I find this hard to square with your statement (all students came from low-income schools but 88% are not low income?). 1. https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/accountability/report/district.aspx?orgcode=00350560 https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/accountability/report/district...
      • bhickey 3y ago
        Students at shools where 40% or more of the student body is classified as low income receive 10 points towards exam school entrance. [0] Being a poor kid at a rich school is a penalty, while being a rich kid at a poor school is a bonus. A student attending a school without bonus points would need to score 97 points. Class rank is a factor which effectively imposes quotas on schools regardless of students grades and or test scores. Back around 2016 there were a handful of schools where students needed to score in excess of 100 points to get into Latin. Last year 408 high income students received bonus points while 29 low income students did not. The admission rates for these groups were 85% and 55% respectively. [1] [0] https://archive.is/20220203094548/https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/02/metro/many-boston-parents-cry-foul-over-bonus-points-exam-school-admission/ https://archive.is/20220203094548/https://www.bostonglobe.co... [1] https://archive.is/20231107020144/https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/06/metro/boston-bps-exam-schools-admission-bonus-points/ https://archive.is/20231107020144/https://www.bostonglobe.co...
        • SamBam 3y ago
          Interesting. It sounds like the cutoff for schools getting the bonus points is too low, it ought to be fewer schools.
          • bhickey 3y ago
            Alternatively give out bonus points on an individual basis. This is already done to a limited extent with homeless students receiving +15.
• remexre 3y ago
  Family income is easier to game than community income though?