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Despite my knee-jerk reaction to assume any policy changes coming out of Seattle are self-destructive; this seems very reasonable especially if there's preceden

Despite my knee-jerk reaction to assume any policy changes coming out of Seattle are self-destructive; this seems very reasonable especially if there's precedent in other countries [1]. [1] https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/84483/is-it-generally-legally-allowed-for-uk-police-to-lie-to-people-in-the-regular-co https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/84483/is-it-generall...

bobthepanda 3y ago
I would imagine that this is supposed to protect against cases like this. https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/seattle-police-officer-disciplined-after-lie-about-hit-and-run-leads-suspects-suicide/3KJ7TPKG5RAUFKA7NN2YVWJM4U/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/seattle-police-officer-d... > SEATTLE — A Seattle police officer who unnecessarily used a ruse to locate a hit-and-run suspect in May 2018 has been suspended for six days after a watchdog agency found that the lie caused the man to take his own life. > The unnamed officer sent word to the man through a friend -- the complainant in the case -- that a woman injured in the crash was in critical condition and might not survive her injuries. > In reality, the crash was a minor fender bender and no one was injured, according to the Office of Police Accountability, an independent investigative office within the Seattle Police Department. Andrew Myerberg, the civilian director of the watchdog, authored the November report on the findings. > The driver, who friends said “was despondent about the fact that he may have killed someone,” died by suicide less than a week later. > “Notably, the night before he took his own life, he directly told his roommate that the incident was causing him to feel suicidal feelings,” the OPA report stated. Seattle PD is also notoriously not well behaved even by police standards.
- cupcakecommons 3y ago
  Gotta be careful negligently and irresponsibly toying with peoples lives in a city that gets so few sunshine hours. Six days of suspension is laughable.
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    I mean if you think that's bad, no one has been suspended or prosecuted for this: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/seattle-police-body-cam-video-discussing-woman-hit-by-officer-rcna104618 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/seattle-police-body-cam... > Seattle police union rank-and-file leaders are under investigation after an officer was recorded on his body camera appearing to make light of the death of a woman who was killed by another officer this year, saying that she “had limited value.” > Auderer left his body camera on after responding to the South Lake Union neighborhood, where a marked patrol vehicle driven by another officer struck and killed Jaahnavi Kandula on Jan. 23. That officer had been responding to a “priority one call,” police said a day after the incident, when he hit Kandula, 23, who had been in a crosswalk. > In the brief clip, Auderer, who is vice president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild, is driving and can be heard discussing details of the incident in a call with the guild’s president, Mike Solan. > Auderer said that the officer whose vehicle struck Kandula had been “going 50” and that “that’s not out of control.” According to a police investigation report that was referred to prosecutors for review last month, the officer had been driving at 74 mph and Kandula was thrown more than 100 feet. > “That’s not reckless for a trained driver,” Auderer also said in the video, adding that he doesn’t believe “she was thrown 40 feet either.” > “But she is dead,” he said. He later laughs and says, “No, it’s a regular person.” Only Auderer’s statements are audible in the video. > "Yeah, just write a check," he also said and laughed again. “Eleven thousand dollars. She was 26 anyway,” Auderer said, misstating Kandula’s age. “She had limited value.”
    - cupcakecommons 3y ago
      Could this be a natural result of the cultural shift away from viewing police work being honorable and decent like it was after 9/11? Seems like recent events could have applied selection pressure to make only those who could care less about honor or decency willing to stay in the profession. Sad all around. If a civil servant talks this way about a 23 year old grad student being killed in a fashion that would put an average citizen immediately under the jail, it's probably wood chipper time for them. What a disgrace.
      - 3y ago

bobthepanda 3y ago

I would imagine that this is supposed to protect against cases like this. https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/seattle-police-officer-disciplined-after-lie-about-hit-and-run-leads-suspects-suicide/3KJ7TPKG5RAUFKA7NN2YVWJM4U/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/seattle-police-officer-d... > SEATTLE — A Seattle police officer who unnecessarily used a ruse to locate a hit-and-run suspect in May 2018 has been suspended for six days after a watchdog agency found that the lie caused the man to take his own life. > The unnamed officer sent word to the man through a friend -- the complainant in the case -- that a woman injured in the crash was in critical condition and might not survive her injuries. > In reality, the crash was a minor fender bender and no one was injured, according to the Office of Police Accountability, an independent investigative office within the Seattle Police Department. Andrew Myerberg, the civilian director of the watchdog, authored the November report on the findings. > The driver, who friends said “was despondent about the fact that he may have killed someone,” died by suicide less than a week later. > “Notably, the night before he took his own life, he directly told his roommate that the incident was causing him to feel suicidal feelings,” the OPA report stated. Seattle PD is also notoriously not well behaved even by police standards.

cupcakecommons 3y ago
Gotta be careful negligently and irresponsibly toying with peoples lives in a city that gets so few sunshine hours. Six days of suspension is laughable.
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  I mean if you think that's bad, no one has been suspended or prosecuted for this: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/seattle-police-body-cam-video-discussing-woman-hit-by-officer-rcna104618 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/seattle-police-body-cam... > Seattle police union rank-and-file leaders are under investigation after an officer was recorded on his body camera appearing to make light of the death of a woman who was killed by another officer this year, saying that she “had limited value.” > Auderer left his body camera on after responding to the South Lake Union neighborhood, where a marked patrol vehicle driven by another officer struck and killed Jaahnavi Kandula on Jan. 23. That officer had been responding to a “priority one call,” police said a day after the incident, when he hit Kandula, 23, who had been in a crosswalk. > In the brief clip, Auderer, who is vice president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild, is driving and can be heard discussing details of the incident in a call with the guild’s president, Mike Solan. > Auderer said that the officer whose vehicle struck Kandula had been “going 50” and that “that’s not out of control.” According to a police investigation report that was referred to prosecutors for review last month, the officer had been driving at 74 mph and Kandula was thrown more than 100 feet. > “That’s not reckless for a trained driver,” Auderer also said in the video, adding that he doesn’t believe “she was thrown 40 feet either.” > “But she is dead,” he said. He later laughs and says, “No, it’s a regular person.” Only Auderer’s statements are audible in the video. > "Yeah, just write a check," he also said and laughed again. “Eleven thousand dollars. She was 26 anyway,” Auderer said, misstating Kandula’s age. “She had limited value.”
  - cupcakecommons 3y ago
    Could this be a natural result of the cultural shift away from viewing police work being honorable and decent like it was after 9/11? Seems like recent events could have applied selection pressure to make only those who could care less about honor or decency willing to stay in the profession. Sad all around. If a civil servant talks this way about a 23 year old grad student being killed in a fashion that would put an average citizen immediately under the jail, it's probably wood chipper time for them. What a disgrace.
    - 3y ago