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Your logic is absurd. We shouldn't worry because we weren't worrying before we knew the problem existed? Now we are educated about the problem what are we sup

by bmurphy1976 3y ago

Your logic is absurd. We shouldn't worry because we weren't worrying before we knew the problem existed? Now we are educated about the problem what are we supposed to do? Put our heads in the sand and pretend the problem doesn't exist?? We weren't OK before, we were ignorant.

SirMaster 3y ago
Nobody is saying to put your head in the sand. But I don't see how the planes are any less safe than they were months ago. If anything they are safer now that the issues are being fixed. So if they aren't any less safe now, and I was willing to fly in one then, then logically I should be willing to fly in one now. That's how it seems to me at least.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  Think we are arguing about a reaction to imperfect information, verus actual safety. Yes, today, with increased inspections, planes are 'safer' than they were. If we take a baseline a few months ago, they are 'safer' now. But In the past, we had imperfect information about how worried we should have been. So a few months ago 'before knowing about defects' we weren't worried enough. We didn't know how worried we should have been. Now that we know about defects, we are more worried. Even thought over-all safety is probably better. EDIT: And, now that we see how much 'cost pressure' has lead to safety cuts, I think we can be more worried now, because we can see how much cost trumps safety. Those cost pressures will remain once the current crisis is past.
- SirMaster 3y ago
  I guess I don't think we (travelers) weren't worried enough. Looking at the overall historical safety and incident records it seems like it was still very safe. Less safe than we thought, sure, but still quite safe, safe enough to not be actively worried as simple travelers, at least in my opinion. So for me if there were so few incidents with the unknown problems, then I don't see why I should be worried now that they know about and are checking and fixing the problem and even other problems.

SirMaster 3y ago

Nobody is saying to put your head in the sand. But I don't see how the planes are any less safe than they were months ago. If anything they are safer now that the issues are being fixed. So if they aren't any less safe now, and I was willing to fly in one then, then logically I should be willing to fly in one now. That's how it seems to me at least.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
Think we are arguing about a reaction to imperfect information, verus actual safety. Yes, today, with increased inspections, planes are 'safer' than they were. If we take a baseline a few months ago, they are 'safer' now. But In the past, we had imperfect information about how worried we should have been. So a few months ago 'before knowing about defects' we weren't worried enough. We didn't know how worried we should have been. Now that we know about defects, we are more worried. Even thought over-all safety is probably better. EDIT: And, now that we see how much 'cost pressure' has lead to safety cuts, I think we can be more worried now, because we can see how much cost trumps safety. Those cost pressures will remain once the current crisis is past.
SirMaster 3y ago
I guess I don't think we (travelers) weren't worried enough. Looking at the overall historical safety and incident records it seems like it was still very safe. Less safe than we thought, sure, but still quite safe, safe enough to not be actively worried as simple travelers, at least in my opinion. So for me if there were so few incidents with the unknown problems, then I don't see why I should be worried now that they know about and are checking and fixing the problem and even other problems.