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The bill in question would increase police accountability. Calling them bad names doesn’t.

by swagasaurus-rex 3y ago

alex_lav 3y ago
False dichotomy. I can call them bad names _and also_ demand increased accountability. Stop defending abusers.
- swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
  You're actually just lumping all police into a single category of "abusers". It's similar to lumping people by their ethnicity or their religion and at its core is prejudiced. Some people love saying "All cops are bad", but that sort of rhetoric is a lie and alienates the good cops, do which exist, and whose help you ought to be enlisting. Also, calling people bad names isn't something to be proud of. Society isn't better for you doing so.
  - alex_lav 3y ago
    > You're actually just lumping all police into a single category of "abusers". All police are either active abusers or complicit in systems that condone/absolve abuse, so yes. I know exactly what I said and why I said it. > It's similar to lumping people by their ethnicity or their religion and at its core is prejudiced. Nope. > Some people love saying "All cops are bad", I sure do. > but that sort of rhetoric is a lie Nope. > alienates the good cops See point 1. There are no "good" cops. > and whose help you ought to be enlisting When I get to choose which cop pulls me over I'll change my language. Until then, all cops are unsafe and should be treated as such. > Also, calling people bad names isn't something to be proud of Never take criticism from people you wouldn't go to for advice.
    - swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
      Your rhetoric is hate-fueled, unconvincing and harmful to the movement
      - alex_lav 3y ago
        Duly noted that a person on the opposite end of a debate disagrees with my position.
        swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
        I’ll consider it a debate when your arguments consist of more than “Nope”
        alex_lav 3y ago
        Ah yes, if you don't read my posts I can certainly see how you might not understand my position. When you're ready, it's all still there. Until then I'll skip the rest of this interaction. Enjoy!
        swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
        Your foundational premise is that good cops don’t exist because they’re part of a system. It’s an awful convenient argument because it lacks refutability. Are you a butcher because you eat meat? Are you a zionist because your tax dollars fun Isreal? Do you steal documents from poor workers because you buy the products they make? You are part of many systems. So are police officers. They are not any more at fault for the injustices of law enforcement as you are for living the way you do.
        alex_lav 3y ago
        > Your foundational premise is that good cops don’t exist because they’re part of a system. Ah yes. So there were "good" nazis, right? Say it :) > They are not any more at fault for the injustices of law enforcement as you are for living the way you do. Yes again, I understand that you're an apologist for corrupt systems. I just choose not to be.
        swagasaurus-rex 3y ago

The bill in question would increase police accountability. Calling them bad names doesn’t.

alex_lav 3y ago

False dichotomy. I can call them bad names _and also_ demand increased accountability. Stop defending abusers.

swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
You're actually just lumping all police into a single category of "abusers". It's similar to lumping people by their ethnicity or their religion and at its core is prejudiced. Some people love saying "All cops are bad", but that sort of rhetoric is a lie and alienates the good cops, do which exist, and whose help you ought to be enlisting. Also, calling people bad names isn't something to be proud of. Society isn't better for you doing so.
- alex_lav 3y ago
  > You're actually just lumping all police into a single category of "abusers". All police are either active abusers or complicit in systems that condone/absolve abuse, so yes. I know exactly what I said and why I said it. > It's similar to lumping people by their ethnicity or their religion and at its core is prejudiced. Nope. > Some people love saying "All cops are bad", I sure do. > but that sort of rhetoric is a lie Nope. > alienates the good cops See point 1. There are no "good" cops. > and whose help you ought to be enlisting When I get to choose which cop pulls me over I'll change my language. Until then, all cops are unsafe and should be treated as such. > Also, calling people bad names isn't something to be proud of Never take criticism from people you wouldn't go to for advice.
  - swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
    Your rhetoric is hate-fueled, unconvincing and harmful to the movement
    - alex_lav 3y ago
      Duly noted that a person on the opposite end of a debate disagrees with my position.
      - swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
        I’ll consider it a debate when your arguments consist of more than “Nope”
        alex_lav 3y ago
        Ah yes, if you don't read my posts I can certainly see how you might not understand my position. When you're ready, it's all still there. Until then I'll skip the rest of this interaction. Enjoy!
        swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
        Your foundational premise is that good cops don’t exist because they’re part of a system. It’s an awful convenient argument because it lacks refutability. Are you a butcher because you eat meat? Are you a zionist because your tax dollars fun Isreal? Do you steal documents from poor workers because you buy the products they make? You are part of many systems. So are police officers. They are not any more at fault for the injustices of law enforcement as you are for living the way you do.
        alex_lav 3y ago
        > Your foundational premise is that good cops don’t exist because they’re part of a system. Ah yes. So there were "good" nazis, right? Say it :) > They are not any more at fault for the injustices of law enforcement as you are for living the way you do. Yes again, I understand that you're an apologist for corrupt systems. I just choose not to be.
        swagasaurus-rex 3y ago