4 ms·

What's the most nefarious use cases possible for these? Voter fraud? Single individual could go around to a bunch of different voting polls too?

by loceng 3y ago

ewoodh2o 3y ago
This varies from US state to US state, but at least in Georgia the answer is no. We have to register ahead of time (usually when obtaining a driver's license for our current address), and voter registrations are cross-checked against other records of residency. On election day, we have to vote at an assigned location, and that location has a list of the people who are allowed to vote there that day. When you check in, they check you off of that list. People who vote early or have requested a mail-in ballot are scrubbed from that list ahead of time. A fake ID, let alone a photo of a fake ID, is not going to get you past the registration step nor the in-person verification step. At best a truly good physical fake ID might get you through to vote in another person's name, if you know where they were registered and beat them to it. But that is not what this tool enables. This system is not without its flaws. Plenty of people are disenfranchised because they either failed to properly register ahead of time, or failed to show up at the correct polling location with proper ID on election day. But AI-generated photos of fake IDs is not one of this system's weaknesses.
jacobsenscott 3y ago
I think you would typically need a physical ID, not a picture, and one person couldn't tip the scales in any election. More likely you would use them to gain access to someone's accounts and steal their money/credit/etc.
crotchfire 3y ago
This has been an easily-solved problem for quite a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ink
- loceng 3y ago
  Prosthetic fake finger covering so then you could just strip it off and apply another one and head to the next polling station?
  - crotchfire 3y ago
    If that worked at a scale that mattered I have a feeling we would have heard about it by now. Election ink has been used extensively for quite some time -- just not in the countries HN readers are likely to live in.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  That's a poor solution. No one should need to get a temporary tattoo just to vote.
jandrese 3y ago
If the site is generating real looking IDs using fake data then it won't be of any use for voting. When you vote they check your name against a list and if it isn't on the list you can only cast a provisional ballot, which will get tossed later when your name fails to verify. Penalties for in-person voting fraud are also very stiff so this is not a likely scenario.
itslennysfault 3y ago
I don't know about the most nefarious, but I know the most frequent will be bypassing KYC (Know Your Customer) requirements on banking and (moreover) crypto sites.

What's the most nefarious use cases possible for these? Voter fraud? Single individual could go around to a bunch of different voting polls too?

by loceng 3y ago

What's the most nefarious use cases possible for these? Voter fraud? Single individual could go around to a bunch of different voting polls too?

ewoodh2o 3y ago

This varies from US state to US state, but at least in Georgia the answer is no. We have to register ahead of time (usually when obtaining a driver's license for our current address), and voter registrations are cross-checked against other records of residency. On election day, we have to vote at an assigned location, and that location has a list of the people who are allowed to vote there that day. When you check in, they check you off of that list. People who vote early or have requested a mail-in ballot are scrubbed from that list ahead of time. A fake ID, let alone a photo of a fake ID, is not going to get you past the registration step nor the in-person verification step. At best a truly good physical fake ID might get you through to vote in another person's name, if you know where they were registered and beat them to it. But that is not what this tool enables. This system is not without its flaws. Plenty of people are disenfranchised because they either failed to properly register ahead of time, or failed to show up at the correct polling location with proper ID on election day. But AI-generated photos of fake IDs is not one of this system's weaknesses.

jacobsenscott 3y ago

I think you would typically need a physical ID, not a picture, and one person couldn't tip the scales in any election. More likely you would use them to gain access to someone's accounts and steal their money/credit/etc.

crotchfire 3y ago

This has been an easily-solved problem for quite a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ink

loceng 3y ago
Prosthetic fake finger covering so then you could just strip it off and apply another one and head to the next polling station?
- crotchfire 3y ago
  If that worked at a scale that mattered I have a feeling we would have heard about it by now. Election ink has been used extensively for quite some time -- just not in the countries HN readers are likely to live in.
PrimeMcFly 3y ago
That's a poor solution. No one should need to get a temporary tattoo just to vote.

jandrese 3y ago

If the site is generating real looking IDs using fake data then it won't be of any use for voting. When you vote they check your name against a list and if it isn't on the list you can only cast a provisional ballot, which will get tossed later when your name fails to verify. Penalties for in-person voting fraud are also very stiff so this is not a likely scenario.

itslennysfault 3y ago

I don't know about the most nefarious, but I know the most frequent will be bypassing KYC (Know Your Customer) requirements on banking and (moreover) crypto sites.