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Of course it was a Tesla driver. Sigh. I like this car well enough, but dammit sometimes I don't want to be associated with the fans.

markn951 3y ago
“Sometimes”?
carrja99 3y ago
You and me both, buddy. You and me both. Elon fans are the absolute worst.
cpncrunch 3y ago
Or the CEO.
- epolanski 3y ago
  Especially the CEO.
- shakow 3y ago
  Its CEO's flaws are more publicized than any other car companies, but I think it's better to separate the CEO from your everyday car. People most probably do not support evading Japanese sovereign law when driving a Renault, pissing on environmental regulations when driving a VW or maintaining the iron grip of a familial dynasty on South Korea when driving a Samsung. Compared to the people at this level, most of us here are mere peons trying to find the best fit for our daily driver.
  - cpncrunch 3y ago
    I don't know if any of those things would impact car ownership. One of the main reasons to dislike Musk is his penchant for saying embarrassingly racist, anti-trans or otherwise similar views, although that also wouldn't impact car ownership. What would be concerning for ownership of his products are his complete botching of twitter in multiple ways, seemingly driving it into the ground, and his mercurial way of running Tesla (removing then adding the ultrasonic sensors, constantly discounting new cars, etc).
    - shakow 3y ago
      > and his mercurial way of running Tesla (removing then adding the ultrasonic sensors, constantly discounting new cars, etc). Is it much worse than VW patently cheating on regulations, virtually all brands eating reaping your personal data like there is no tomorrow, or Renault deliberately selling flawed engines? Not that I'm trying to write Musk's hagiography, but the automotive industry is a nest of scandals and anti-customer practices where in the grand scheme of things Tesla is but another link in the chain.
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kunai 3y ago
I like how efficient Teslas are and their class-leading range but the idiotic proliferation of touchscreens in mission-critical applications (like dashboards and control panels) is largely their fault, and they show no signs of stopping it. The new Model 3 has touch turn signals and none of the cars have had physical gear selectors for a long time because Musk thinks that they're unnecessary (lol). Why? Just why? Keeps me from buying one. Swipe to go into reverse? Really? What's worse than that is that their fans ooh and ahh at this sort of cost-cutting nonsense because it "looks cool and futuristic" when it's far less functional (and frankly, more dangerous) than what it replaced. Apple already took their heel-turn with killing off the Touch Bar. Honda and VW both have scaled back touchscreen controls on their latest model vehicles. The F-35's touchscreen avionics have had problems and newer aircraft fielded (like the new F-15) tend to have more mechanical button backups while also retaining the advantages and flexibility of large flat-panel displays. Musk's companies are the odd ones out here in terms of going the opposite direction. It's long overdue for them to correct this.
- adolph 3y ago
  > none of the cars have had physical gear selectors what do you need a gear selector for? There is only one gear: “Single-speed fixed (9:1 ratio)” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3
  - kunai 3y ago
    "Gear selector" is an anachronism. Most modern gear selectors are entirely electronic on newer cars. What I'm talking about is a physical, permanent fixture that is used to change the car's transmission state into/from park, reverse, neutral, and forward (drive). You still will occasionally need to do this in an EV, for instance, in the case of an electrical failure and you need to push the vehicle out of the way of traffic. Or literally just backing out of your driveway. Seems sort of pedantic to say "what do you need a gear selector for," obviously I'm not talking about an H-pattern and a clutch.
    - adolph 3y ago
gitfan86 3y ago
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dymk 3y ago
It's fine to grill this particular dude for his stupid behavior, but can you not insult everybody who has a Tesla because of this? I don't even drive one and it's second-hand embarrassing seeing people make cheap jabs like this. --- Come on, this is in your bio: > HN is going through a wave of morons, probably refugees from Reddit. Do you see the irony?
- dmix 3y ago
  Hating on Tesla/Musk companies is one of the biggest trends on the internet right now, so that's going to be like asking people to be reasonable about Palestine. It goes well beyond rational reasons - well into identity/ideology - which on social media is usually an impenetrable wall when seeking nuance.
  - gitfan86 3y ago
    Musk has been very influential in making woke virtue signaling online less rewarding. Of course the biggest virtue signalers are going to leave Twitter and look for other places to virtue signal.
    - rootusrootus 3y ago
      I assume when you say this you just mean leftist woke virtue signaling. I'll grant that right wing virtue signaling is more likely to be encountered in the physical world (e.g. the ubiquitous flag waving from the back of a pickup truck), but there's not exactly a shortage of it on Twitter either.
      - gitfan86 3y ago
        I'm not aware of the far right being labeled as woke before. Generally they are called conspiracy theorists, or MAGA. I don't think they are generally virtue signaling either. When they say Trump had the election stolen they seem to actually believe that and would like for Trump to take over the presidency today. Unlike the left wing virtue signalers who say things like "abolish the police", but in reality do actually want to be able to call the police when someone is trying to break into their house.
alkonaut 3y ago
Tesla is the best thing that ever happened to BMW. Its brand is no longer the strongest indicator of an asshat in traffic.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  Interesting, do you really think it's that bad? I feel like most Teslas I see on the road are driven more like a Honda Civic than any kind of BMW. But it's not really fair to pick on BMW drivers either, I see plenty of asshats in cars of all makes & models. My biggest complaint about other Teslas on the road are the headlights. I dialed my own down a couple notches to reduce the glare. But I see plenty of other Model 3s (and especially Ys for some reason) that are aimed way too high. They come from the factory this way.
  - alkonaut 3y ago
    It’s a lot more varied. It’s driven by asshats and regular drivers alike. And it’s really common. So the inference only works one way I guess, see an asshat driver, it’s likely a Tesla. But the inverse (which was pretty strong for BMW) doesn’t quite hold as well.
account-5 3y ago
Of course it was a Tesla driver and an early apple adopter. How do you even convince yourself this is a good idea?!

markn951 3y ago

“Sometimes”?

carrja99 3y ago

You and me both, buddy. You and me both. Elon fans are the absolute worst.

cpncrunch 3y ago

Or the CEO.

epolanski 3y ago
Especially the CEO.
shakow 3y ago
Its CEO's flaws are more publicized than any other car companies, but I think it's better to separate the CEO from your everyday car. People most probably do not support evading Japanese sovereign law when driving a Renault, pissing on environmental regulations when driving a VW or maintaining the iron grip of a familial dynasty on South Korea when driving a Samsung. Compared to the people at this level, most of us here are mere peons trying to find the best fit for our daily driver.
- cpncrunch 3y ago
  I don't know if any of those things would impact car ownership. One of the main reasons to dislike Musk is his penchant for saying embarrassingly racist, anti-trans or otherwise similar views, although that also wouldn't impact car ownership. What would be concerning for ownership of his products are his complete botching of twitter in multiple ways, seemingly driving it into the ground, and his mercurial way of running Tesla (removing then adding the ultrasonic sensors, constantly discounting new cars, etc).
  - shakow 3y ago
    > and his mercurial way of running Tesla (removing then adding the ultrasonic sensors, constantly discounting new cars, etc). Is it much worse than VW patently cheating on regulations, virtually all brands eating reaping your personal data like there is no tomorrow, or Renault deliberately selling flawed engines? Not that I'm trying to write Musk's hagiography, but the automotive industry is a nest of scandals and anti-customer practices where in the grand scheme of things Tesla is but another link in the chain.

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kunai 3y ago

I like how efficient Teslas are and their class-leading range but the idiotic proliferation of touchscreens in mission-critical applications (like dashboards and control panels) is largely their fault, and they show no signs of stopping it. The new Model 3 has touch turn signals and none of the cars have had physical gear selectors for a long time because Musk thinks that they're unnecessary (lol). Why? Just why? Keeps me from buying one. Swipe to go into reverse? Really? What's worse than that is that their fans ooh and ahh at this sort of cost-cutting nonsense because it "looks cool and futuristic" when it's far less functional (and frankly, more dangerous) than what it replaced. Apple already took their heel-turn with killing off the Touch Bar. Honda and VW both have scaled back touchscreen controls on their latest model vehicles. The F-35's touchscreen avionics have had problems and newer aircraft fielded (like the new F-15) tend to have more mechanical button backups while also retaining the advantages and flexibility of large flat-panel displays. Musk's companies are the odd ones out here in terms of going the opposite direction. It's long overdue for them to correct this.

adolph 3y ago
> none of the cars have had physical gear selectors what do you need a gear selector for? There is only one gear: “Single-speed fixed (9:1 ratio)” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3
- kunai 3y ago
  "Gear selector" is an anachronism. Most modern gear selectors are entirely electronic on newer cars. What I'm talking about is a physical, permanent fixture that is used to change the car's transmission state into/from park, reverse, neutral, and forward (drive). You still will occasionally need to do this in an EV, for instance, in the case of an electrical failure and you need to push the vehicle out of the way of traffic. Or literally just backing out of your driveway. Seems sort of pedantic to say "what do you need a gear selector for," obviously I'm not talking about an H-pattern and a clutch.
  - adolph 3y ago

gitfan86 3y ago

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dymk 3y ago

It's fine to grill this particular dude for his stupid behavior, but can you not insult everybody who has a Tesla because of this? I don't even drive one and it's second-hand embarrassing seeing people make cheap jabs like this. --- Come on, this is in your bio: > HN is going through a wave of morons, probably refugees from Reddit. Do you see the irony?

dmix 3y ago
Hating on Tesla/Musk companies is one of the biggest trends on the internet right now, so that's going to be like asking people to be reasonable about Palestine. It goes well beyond rational reasons - well into identity/ideology - which on social media is usually an impenetrable wall when seeking nuance.
- gitfan86 3y ago
  Musk has been very influential in making woke virtue signaling online less rewarding. Of course the biggest virtue signalers are going to leave Twitter and look for other places to virtue signal.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    I assume when you say this you just mean leftist woke virtue signaling. I'll grant that right wing virtue signaling is more likely to be encountered in the physical world (e.g. the ubiquitous flag waving from the back of a pickup truck), but there's not exactly a shortage of it on Twitter either.
    - gitfan86 3y ago
      I'm not aware of the far right being labeled as woke before. Generally they are called conspiracy theorists, or MAGA. I don't think they are generally virtue signaling either. When they say Trump had the election stolen they seem to actually believe that and would like for Trump to take over the presidency today. Unlike the left wing virtue signalers who say things like "abolish the police", but in reality do actually want to be able to call the police when someone is trying to break into their house.

alkonaut 3y ago

Tesla is the best thing that ever happened to BMW. Its brand is no longer the strongest indicator of an asshat in traffic.

rootusrootus 3y ago
Interesting, do you really think it's that bad? I feel like most Teslas I see on the road are driven more like a Honda Civic than any kind of BMW. But it's not really fair to pick on BMW drivers either, I see plenty of asshats in cars of all makes & models. My biggest complaint about other Teslas on the road are the headlights. I dialed my own down a couple notches to reduce the glare. But I see plenty of other Model 3s (and especially Ys for some reason) that are aimed way too high. They come from the factory this way.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  It’s a lot more varied. It’s driven by asshats and regular drivers alike. And it’s really common. So the inference only works one way I guess, see an asshat driver, it’s likely a Tesla. But the inverse (which was pretty strong for BMW) doesn’t quite hold as well.

account-5 3y ago

Of course it was a Tesla driver and an early apple adopter. How do you even convince yourself this is a good idea?!