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NYTimes "The Daily" podcast had an informative episode on the matter[1] I'm out of the loop since my college days are behind me, and I don't have kids. I had
by rconti 3y ago
NYTimes "The Daily" podcast had an informative episode on the matter[1]
I'm out of the loop since my college days are behind me, and I don't have kids.
I had heard colleges were going to rely less on standardized testing (and many dropped the requirement during Covid when SAT tests didn't take place at all). I had also heard that there was controversy over reliance on standardized tests, because the wealthy can more easily afford expensive test prep, which initially seemed reasonable to me.
But then when I listed to the podcast I was stunned that the colleges seemed to think relying much more heavily on grades and extracurricular activities was somehow an _improvement_. I thought "grade inflation" was a big worry over the past couple of decades? I thought we all joked about today's nonsensical GPAs where kids get, whatever, 4.5s or 5.0s on a scale of 0-4. And it goes without saying that it's obvious to most of us that volunteering and participating in travel sports and debate teams and so on, is FAR more accessible to those with money, with transportation, with resources, with involved parents?
Standardized tests can't tell us how diligently kids do their homework, how well they do after encountering a setback. Maybe they favor kids who are smart but lazy. They can't tell us how a kid will do when they go from being a high school standout to a below average Harvard student.
But they sure as hell tell us a lot more than utterly subjective grading systems with no standardization whatsoever, and "intangibles" that tell us only how good a kid's family (or hired college prep expert) is at identifying activities that will get them into a selective University.
1. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/podcasts/the-daily/the-war-on-the-sat.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/podcasts/the-daily/the-wa...
- dyno12345 3y agore: grade inflation, they can statistically normalize the grades fwiw GPA and SAT scores are highly correlated anyway
- tech_ken 3y agoNot exactly, it's tough because every high school needs a different normalization, and it may drift from cohort to cohort. Most universities only ever see a handful of students from any given HS, so it's really tough to untangle the big spike of 5.0 students. Usually the results are weakly predictive of academic success, if the correlation even exists at all. External agencies like the CollegeBoard offer data as a service type solutions for this, but they're (A) low quality, (B) expensive, and (C) have lots of weird privacy concerns because it's data about minors.
- deltarholamda 3y agoPeople who take the SAT are self-selecting. An awful lot of kids don't take it, and a lot of schools don't require it. So the sort of kid who takes it will also be the sort of kid who gets good grades.