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> Still, it doesn’t really change the upshot Indeed it does not, which made the omission more strange or innocent. What was ridiculous was the apologia subthre

by epcoa 3y ago

> Still, it doesn’t really change the upshot Indeed it does not, which made the omission more strange or innocent. What was ridiculous was the apologia subthread. > small tourism operators who are often far less rigorous in their safety practices, with relatively low-hour pilots. There have been some improvements (in part due to these accidents) but this isn’t so far off from the regionals which was definitely a factor in both Comair and Colgan. But crucially the majors are going to sell you a connecting ticket on them like any other, and they code share and mile just the same. Many of them are wholly owned to boot.

stouset 3y ago
It was not my intent to exclude regionals operating regularly-scheduled white-label service for the majors. It was my intent to exclude microscopic commercial operators doing charter flights, tourism, and other similar activities. I sincerely apologize for the omission, I did not recognize that that Comair flight was operating under the United banner.
- TylerE 3y ago
  Then you also have to count https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalk%27s_Ocean_Airways_Flight_101 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalk%27s_Ocean_Airways_Flight... and it's 20 fatalities. That was a regularly scheduled flight by a US carrier.
  - stouset 3y ago
    Chalk’s Ocean was not a major airline and it was not a regional airline performing white-label service for a major airline. I hope you can recognize that a company privately operating a fleet of seven floatplanes is not particularly relevant to a discussion about the safety of mass passenger air travel, in much the same way that a carnival operating a rollercoaster is not meaningful when discussing passenger rail.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      Why isn't it relevant? They obeyed the exact same rules and regulations (FAR Part 121). That's the exact same part of theregs that applies to Delta and United. They weren't a charter or sightseeing operator. They were, prior to the their closure, the oldest operating airline in the US and something like #3 worldwide, post-dating only KLM and one of the other European flag carriers. (Lufthansa, maybe? I don't have the list handy)
      - stouset 3y ago
        I'm pretty sure the US majors aren't flying airframes that haven't rolled off a production line in half a century, from manufacturers that shuttered their doors over a decade prior. I'm also pretty sure that you, nor anyone you know, nor anyone they know has ever flown on Chalk's.
        TylerE 3y ago
        Then you're pretty surely wrong. I visited the Bahamas a number of times as a kid. Your whole approach here feels rather bad faith/no true Scotsman-y. Of course you’ll have no fatal crashes if you say every fatal crash doesn’t count for some reason or another as not a real crash.

by epcoa 3y ago

stouset 3y ago

It was not my intent to exclude regionals operating regularly-scheduled white-label service for the majors. It was my intent to exclude microscopic commercial operators doing charter flights, tourism, and other similar activities. I sincerely apologize for the omission, I did not recognize that that Comair flight was operating under the United banner.

TylerE 3y ago
Then you also have to count https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalk%27s_Ocean_Airways_Flight_101 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalk%27s_Ocean_Airways_Flight... and it's 20 fatalities. That was a regularly scheduled flight by a US carrier.
- stouset 3y ago
  Chalk’s Ocean was not a major airline and it was not a regional airline performing white-label service for a major airline. I hope you can recognize that a company privately operating a fleet of seven floatplanes is not particularly relevant to a discussion about the safety of mass passenger air travel, in much the same way that a carnival operating a rollercoaster is not meaningful when discussing passenger rail.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    Why isn't it relevant? They obeyed the exact same rules and regulations (FAR Part 121). That's the exact same part of theregs that applies to Delta and United. They weren't a charter or sightseeing operator. They were, prior to the their closure, the oldest operating airline in the US and something like #3 worldwide, post-dating only KLM and one of the other European flag carriers. (Lufthansa, maybe? I don't have the list handy)
    - stouset 3y ago
      I'm pretty sure the US majors aren't flying airframes that haven't rolled off a production line in half a century, from manufacturers that shuttered their doors over a decade prior. I'm also pretty sure that you, nor anyone you know, nor anyone they know has ever flown on Chalk's.
      - TylerE 3y ago
        Then you're pretty surely wrong. I visited the Bahamas a number of times as a kid. Your whole approach here feels rather bad faith/no true Scotsman-y. Of course you’ll have no fatal crashes if you say every fatal crash doesn’t count for some reason or another as not a real crash.