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I believe there's some research that suggests your college GPA is not correlated strongly with job performance[1]. I suspect if SAT/ACT scores are strongly corr

I believe there's some research that suggests your college GPA is not correlated strongly with job performance[1]. I suspect if SAT/ACT scores are strongly correlated with GPA, there's reason to suggest it may also not be strongly correlated with job performance (but I can't find anywhere that tests that). I suppose this shouldn't be surprising. School does not train you to be a good office worker. [1] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/does-college-gpa-predict-job-performance-mike-russiello/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/does-college-gpa-predict-job-...

boringg 3y ago
The goal of school IS NOT to make you a good office worker. The goal of school is to create the ability to think creatively, rationally and critically and make you a better citizen of society through those processes. Job performance is subjectively measured by your bosses which has political implications. It is inherently a terrible metric.
- brigadier132 3y ago
  > The goal of school IS NOT to make you a good office worker Who defines this "goal"? Each student has their own individual goals. I bet you if you surveyed students "The goal of school is to create the ability to think creatively, rationally and critically and make you a better citizen of society through those processes." Would rank all the way to the bottom and they all are terrible reasons to get into $200k of debt. Many go to college without a second thought just because they think it's what they are supposed to do. Many go because they don't want to be a manual laborer and they want to be able to make more money. Many go to get drunk and party.
  - etrautmann 3y ago
    This is such a cynical and tired take. I would imagine that most people attending college at least intend to learn something and level up some ability. Many of them will also enjoy partying in their early 20s. Both can be true, and there’s not a singular purpose of attending school.
    - brigadier132 3y ago
      > This is such a cynical and tired take Good job, starting off strong with a real substantive criticism. > I would imagine that most people attending college at least intend to learn something and level up some ability. Your imagination is lacking and you have not spoken with many 18 year olds, the vast majority are not highly motivated learners. A large number of degrees teach skills that are not even valuable enough to pay back the amount of money that is put in. So they are leveling up in worthless shit. All these indebted graduates are clamoring to have the government pay for their bad decisions. None of them blame the institutions that charge these exorbitant amounts to supposedly become "cultured" and "creative".
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > the vast majority are not highly motivated learners The honest truth is they shouldn't be going to college. Because they went to school and didn't come out cultured or creative. (I went to a state school. It was easy to structure your schedule with zero liberal arts. I almost did. To the extent I have regrets about my time in college, it's in not taking more liberal arts classes.)
        brigadier132 3y ago
        > To the extent I have regrets about my time in college, it's in not taking more liberal arts classes. I also went to a state school, I took the liberal arts classes, they have added nothing of value to my life. If you want to get cultured, read.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > I took the liberal arts classes, they have added nothing of value to my life Sure, many were useless. But the few that were good were golden. Sorry you missed that. > If you want to get cultured, read This is necessary but insufficient. The discussion is essential. To be clear, I'm not saying you can't become cultured outside college. (Of course you can.) But that coming out of college uncultured is close to a waste for most graduates, i.e. those graduating with a degree that isn't immediately in high demand at a six-figure wage. If a student isn't a highly-motivated learner, and their goal is maximising lifetime net earnings, they shouldn't be going to college.

boringg 3y ago

The goal of school IS NOT to make you a good office worker. The goal of school is to create the ability to think creatively, rationally and critically and make you a better citizen of society through those processes. Job performance is subjectively measured by your bosses which has political implications. It is inherently a terrible metric.

brigadier132 3y ago
> The goal of school IS NOT to make you a good office worker Who defines this "goal"? Each student has their own individual goals. I bet you if you surveyed students "The goal of school is to create the ability to think creatively, rationally and critically and make you a better citizen of society through those processes." Would rank all the way to the bottom and they all are terrible reasons to get into $200k of debt. Many go to college without a second thought just because they think it's what they are supposed to do. Many go because they don't want to be a manual laborer and they want to be able to make more money. Many go to get drunk and party.
- etrautmann 3y ago
  This is such a cynical and tired take. I would imagine that most people attending college at least intend to learn something and level up some ability. Many of them will also enjoy partying in their early 20s. Both can be true, and there’s not a singular purpose of attending school.
  - brigadier132 3y ago
    > This is such a cynical and tired take Good job, starting off strong with a real substantive criticism. > I would imagine that most people attending college at least intend to learn something and level up some ability. Your imagination is lacking and you have not spoken with many 18 year olds, the vast majority are not highly motivated learners. A large number of degrees teach skills that are not even valuable enough to pay back the amount of money that is put in. So they are leveling up in worthless shit. All these indebted graduates are clamoring to have the government pay for their bad decisions. None of them blame the institutions that charge these exorbitant amounts to supposedly become "cultured" and "creative".
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > the vast majority are not highly motivated learners The honest truth is they shouldn't be going to college. Because they went to school and didn't come out cultured or creative. (I went to a state school. It was easy to structure your schedule with zero liberal arts. I almost did. To the extent I have regrets about my time in college, it's in not taking more liberal arts classes.)
      - brigadier132 3y ago
        > To the extent I have regrets about my time in college, it's in not taking more liberal arts classes. I also went to a state school, I took the liberal arts classes, they have added nothing of value to my life. If you want to get cultured, read.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > I took the liberal arts classes, they have added nothing of value to my life Sure, many were useless. But the few that were good were golden. Sorry you missed that. > If you want to get cultured, read This is necessary but insufficient. The discussion is essential. To be clear, I'm not saying you can't become cultured outside college. (Of course you can.) But that coming out of college uncultured is close to a waste for most graduates, i.e. those graduating with a degree that isn't immediately in high demand at a six-figure wage. If a student isn't a highly-motivated learner, and their goal is maximising lifetime net earnings, they shouldn't be going to college.