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Everyone who ever waged war since the dawn of time though they are justified or entitled to do it. Russia invaded Ukraine to defend endangered Russian minoriti

Everyone who ever waged war since the dawn of time though they are justified or entitled to do it. Russia invaded Ukraine to defend endangered Russian minorities. Israel pounds tens of thousands of civilians that they were already treating inhumanely into dust to defend against terrorists. US blew up villages in Asia or weddings in the Middle East to defend democracy. Germany plunged Europe into war to defend the dream of the third Reich. It's "only" a matter of painting yourself as a victim or as a defender of what's right. Even a robber will justify breaking into your home or killing your family by the need to feed their family. But to address your point head on, there is absolutely no way the war Israel waged on Palestine for decades, killing more acutely these days, is about any reasonably justifiable defense more than the Holocaust was in defense. It's just one more step into implementing the extremist views that the current Israeli leadership always had. But if you have enough money and ignorant enough audience the world is your oyster.

peterfirefly 3y ago
> Russia invaded Ukraine to defend endangered Russian minorities. No.
- buran77 3y ago
  Did you read on? You may have put as much effort into understanding what I wrote as you put in the reply. Do you genuinely think the answer is "no" just for that first example or that's just where you stopped reading because you knew better anyway? I'll spare you the additional effort. The answer is actually "no" for every single one on that list. None of those wars were/are just but that never stopped any of the aggressors from painting themselves as defenders of some fair and just ideal.
  - peterfirefly 3y ago
    I agreed with most of the rest.
    - buran77 3y ago
      I listed a number of atrocities where all the attackers invariably and wrongly thought they're on the just side. And yet you only had objections to the one? Your values align with all others? Running out of charitable interpretations here mate. Or willingness to see how much lower this can go.
      - peterfirefly 3y ago
        I mostly agree with you. (I didn't spell out how much I agree because being against Israel is a sure way to attract downvotes. But let me do it anyway: Israel has no right to exist and never did in modern times. The people Israel stole the land to not only have the right to the land because they were, you know, there and the Jewish invaders weren't -- they were also genetic heirs to ancient Israelis to a higher degree than the Jewish invaders were. I think it is disgraceful that Israel has so much influence over US politics and media (USS Liberty cover up!). I think it is disgraceful that Germany backs Israel to the extent it does -- in order to not be, or be perceived as, evil. Where I don't agree so much is about the US and Asia. The US had every right to fight in Korea and it was a damn good thing it did. It also had a right to fight against the Viet Cong -- and it was a disaster for the Vietnamese when the Viet Cong conquered Southern Vietnam and caused a mass famine with their collective farming.)
gryzzly 3y ago
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peterfirefly 3y ago

> Russia invaded Ukraine to defend endangered Russian minorities. No.

buran77 3y ago
Did you read on? You may have put as much effort into understanding what I wrote as you put in the reply. Do you genuinely think the answer is "no" just for that first example or that's just where you stopped reading because you knew better anyway? I'll spare you the additional effort. The answer is actually "no" for every single one on that list. None of those wars were/are just but that never stopped any of the aggressors from painting themselves as defenders of some fair and just ideal.
- peterfirefly 3y ago
  I agreed with most of the rest.
  - buran77 3y ago
    I listed a number of atrocities where all the attackers invariably and wrongly thought they're on the just side. And yet you only had objections to the one? Your values align with all others? Running out of charitable interpretations here mate. Or willingness to see how much lower this can go.
    - peterfirefly 3y ago
      I mostly agree with you. (I didn't spell out how much I agree because being against Israel is a sure way to attract downvotes. But let me do it anyway: Israel has no right to exist and never did in modern times. The people Israel stole the land to not only have the right to the land because they were, you know, there and the Jewish invaders weren't -- they were also genetic heirs to ancient Israelis to a higher degree than the Jewish invaders were. I think it is disgraceful that Israel has so much influence over US politics and media (USS Liberty cover up!). I think it is disgraceful that Germany backs Israel to the extent it does -- in order to not be, or be perceived as, evil. Where I don't agree so much is about the US and Asia. The US had every right to fight in Korea and it was a damn good thing it did. It also had a right to fight against the Viet Cong -- and it was a disaster for the Vietnamese when the Viet Cong conquered Southern Vietnam and caused a mass famine with their collective farming.)

gryzzly 3y ago

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