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> The latter work their hours, go home and forget about work until next morning. I mean, you should also do this when you work a corporate job. I work as a tea

> The latter work their hours, go home and forget about work until next morning. I mean, you should also do this when you work a corporate job. I work as a team lead in my org, and outside office hours unless something is actively on fire, I am not responding to anything. If I see a Slack notification, I'll check it, and if it's something that absolutely 100% needs me and I'm able and not already committed, sure, I'll jump on. But anything short of that, nope. 9AM Monday I'm on it. > And like, with all due respect, there were also a lot of mentally undemanding desk jobs back then. People got hired into them with just high school degrees. There are no "paper-pushers" anymore because there is no paper. Also this is categorically not true. In tons of bigger, older corporations, there are more paper pushers than there have ever been. Academia too. Administrative jobs have been growing for decades now, absolutely ballooning in corporate America. Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber covers this in hilarious and tragic detail.

triceratops 3y ago
> If I see a Slack notification, I'll check it That's already a mental tax that previous generations never had. > In tons of bigger, older corporations, there are more paper pushers than there have ever been. Consider the qualifications needed to land those jobs today. The amount of posturing, scrapping, backstabbing, and drama that goes into them. Bullshit jobs surely drain cognitive surplus.
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  It is, but it's a minor one. I read it in notifications, if it's not urgent, swipe. Takes 5 seconds.
  - wholinator2 3y ago
    How many of those do you get a day, as well as a proportion of daily notification number? I know that any kind of notification is a significant mental tax for me, especially if i feel compelled to check it in case it's a fire. It forces a context switch, demands you enter a completely different mode which to me is wholly incompatible with the majority of modes i enjoy taking in my free time. Personally, I'll never willingly enter an on call channel ever again. Nearly every night there was some thing i had to read and understand while i was in the middle of deep thought or creativity. Sometimes when they start they'll ping endlessly for hours. It's as if this dead claw of work is reaching in and eating away at my brain.
marssaxman 3y ago
> If I see a Slack notification, I'll check it Why? Are you on-call?
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  Because I check all my notifications, work and otherwise. It would be more effort to remember to not check Slack in particular.
  - marssaxman 3y ago
    How does that actually happen, though? Have you signed into your work accounts on your personal machine? If so, why did that seem necessary? It takes me no effort to ignore work Slack notifications, because I don't open my work laptop until it's time to work. This seems obvious to me, yet many people complain about being distracted by their notifications, so I wonder what they are doing differently, and why.
    - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
      Personal phone. I have separate computers for work and personal stuff but it's too much of a fuckabout to have more than one phone and watch, so I don't. I regularly use my phone both to test our products and to communicate with coworkers. My phone is mine, my work computer belongs to my employer. I know some people do the work phone thing and more power to them, but for me, I found it grating and irritating to have to have two handsets on me. That being said, while my email and Slack access are shared to my personal phone, again, unless something is actively on fire, I don't answer, and, in those rare instances, it's always appreciated by my leadership is a favor I'm doing them, not an expected/demanded part of my job. I don't think that's an unreasonable way to do things.

triceratops 3y ago

> If I see a Slack notification, I'll check it That's already a mental tax that previous generations never had. > In tons of bigger, older corporations, there are more paper pushers than there have ever been. Consider the qualifications needed to land those jobs today. The amount of posturing, scrapping, backstabbing, and drama that goes into them. Bullshit jobs surely drain cognitive surplus.

ToucanLoucan 3y ago
It is, but it's a minor one. I read it in notifications, if it's not urgent, swipe. Takes 5 seconds.
- wholinator2 3y ago
  How many of those do you get a day, as well as a proportion of daily notification number? I know that any kind of notification is a significant mental tax for me, especially if i feel compelled to check it in case it's a fire. It forces a context switch, demands you enter a completely different mode which to me is wholly incompatible with the majority of modes i enjoy taking in my free time. Personally, I'll never willingly enter an on call channel ever again. Nearly every night there was some thing i had to read and understand while i was in the middle of deep thought or creativity. Sometimes when they start they'll ping endlessly for hours. It's as if this dead claw of work is reaching in and eating away at my brain.

marssaxman 3y ago

> If I see a Slack notification, I'll check it Why? Are you on-call?

ToucanLoucan 3y ago
Because I check all my notifications, work and otherwise. It would be more effort to remember to not check Slack in particular.
- marssaxman 3y ago
  How does that actually happen, though? Have you signed into your work accounts on your personal machine? If so, why did that seem necessary? It takes me no effort to ignore work Slack notifications, because I don't open my work laptop until it's time to work. This seems obvious to me, yet many people complain about being distracted by their notifications, so I wonder what they are doing differently, and why.
  - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
    Personal phone. I have separate computers for work and personal stuff but it's too much of a fuckabout to have more than one phone and watch, so I don't. I regularly use my phone both to test our products and to communicate with coworkers. My phone is mine, my work computer belongs to my employer. I know some people do the work phone thing and more power to them, but for me, I found it grating and irritating to have to have two handsets on me. That being said, while my email and Slack access are shared to my personal phone, again, unless something is actively on fire, I don't answer, and, in those rare instances, it's always appreciated by my leadership is a favor I'm doing them, not an expected/demanded part of my job. I don't think that's an unreasonable way to do things.