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As a person with SUV and big family in Paris, I suggest we do the same with obese people and public transport - now that my kids will need to use it more freque

As a person with SUV and big family in Paris, I suggest we do the same with obese people and public transport - now that my kids will need to use it more frequently while paying more for sq ft.

moritonal 3y ago
I'd agree that families have the best reason for larger vehicles given how public transport can be difficult for buggies ect. An interesting intersection of gov trying to encourage families could be used here to offer a tax-relief on people that carpool (which'd by default therefore include families)?
- michalu 3y ago
  To be honest we're moving out of France. I don't see much future in this country if you have a family unless you go to somewhere like Auvergne where there's less jobs, mostly farming and these guys are getting decimated and cities run down. Owning a dog here starts to be higher virtue than having a child. French are moreover delusional about the role their country plays in the international scene and lot of other things. I give it 10-20 years max.
- neoberg 3y ago
  A good public transport system is not difficult for families and even easier. Berlin has a pretty good public transport. We had a car when we first moved here (we're a family) but we never had the need to use it other than 1-2 occasions in a year because public transport + biking is easier, faster and more comfortable. At the end we got rid of our car and not planning to buy another one. For those occasions that happens 1-2 times a year, we just use a car sharing app. It's also a lot cheaper than maintaining a car.
  - dustincoates 3y ago
    Sadly, Paris is not that. It's a great public transport system without families, but not for anyone with young children or with mobility problems. I can make do, but only if I have my 18 mos. old in the stroller OR my 3 year old walking, but not both. (It's a bit easier for my wife, because people will stop and help her up and down the stairs with the stroller.) Buses do tend to be a bit easier if you're travelling outside of peak hours. Otherwise, you might have to let a bus or two pass you before one comes with enough space for the stroller. Things are supposed to be a lot better with the Grand Paris Express, although that won't help much intramuros.
Lichtverschwend 3y ago
The vote did not concern resident parking places - even if you have an SUV you can still park as usual in _your_ area. Of course, if you drive to other parts of the town where you are not a resident (i.e. drive to a different arrondissement) then you count as a visitor. Its not unlogical - within Paris public transport should be used notably by those who live there - driving less than 5 miles inside the city makes little sense with some excceptions.
- michalu 3y ago
  To be fair Paris has huge problem with too many cars. I'd close the center entirely.
HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
I'm detecting snark and bad faith engagement.
- michalu 3y ago
  I regret posting it.
Symbiote 3y ago
Large families fit in estate cars / station wagons, just like they did in the 1980s and 1990s.

As a person with SUV and big family in Paris, I suggest we do the same with obese people and public transport - now that my kids will need to use it more frequently while paying more for sq ft.

moritonal 3y ago

I'd agree that families have the best reason for larger vehicles given how public transport can be difficult for buggies ect. An interesting intersection of gov trying to encourage families could be used here to offer a tax-relief on people that carpool (which'd by default therefore include families)?

michalu 3y ago
To be honest we're moving out of France. I don't see much future in this country if you have a family unless you go to somewhere like Auvergne where there's less jobs, mostly farming and these guys are getting decimated and cities run down. Owning a dog here starts to be higher virtue than having a child. French are moreover delusional about the role their country plays in the international scene and lot of other things. I give it 10-20 years max.
neoberg 3y ago
A good public transport system is not difficult for families and even easier. Berlin has a pretty good public transport. We had a car when we first moved here (we're a family) but we never had the need to use it other than 1-2 occasions in a year because public transport + biking is easier, faster and more comfortable. At the end we got rid of our car and not planning to buy another one. For those occasions that happens 1-2 times a year, we just use a car sharing app. It's also a lot cheaper than maintaining a car.
- dustincoates 3y ago
  Sadly, Paris is not that. It's a great public transport system without families, but not for anyone with young children or with mobility problems. I can make do, but only if I have my 18 mos. old in the stroller OR my 3 year old walking, but not both. (It's a bit easier for my wife, because people will stop and help her up and down the stairs with the stroller.) Buses do tend to be a bit easier if you're travelling outside of peak hours. Otherwise, you might have to let a bus or two pass you before one comes with enough space for the stroller. Things are supposed to be a lot better with the Grand Paris Express, although that won't help much intramuros.

Lichtverschwend 3y ago

The vote did not concern resident parking places - even if you have an SUV you can still park as usual in _your_ area. Of course, if you drive to other parts of the town where you are not a resident (i.e. drive to a different arrondissement) then you count as a visitor. Its not unlogical - within Paris public transport should be used notably by those who live there - driving less than 5 miles inside the city makes little sense with some excceptions.

michalu 3y ago
To be fair Paris has huge problem with too many cars. I'd close the center entirely.

HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago

I'm detecting snark and bad faith engagement.

michalu 3y ago
I regret posting it.

Symbiote 3y ago

Large families fit in estate cars / station wagons, just like they did in the 1980s and 1990s.