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Tyre dust, break dust, there are other forms of pollution we need to eradicate / reduce.

luplex 3y ago
This is true. But I fear that this talking point will be used by lobbyists and pro-ICE fanatics to justify more climate damage than necessary.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  The world is off ICEs now, no amount of lobbying is going to convince people they’re a good idea going forwards.
  - quonn 3y ago
    > The world is off ICEs now How is it off ICE? It's slowly moving in the right direction, but very slowly indeed. New ICE will be produced and sold even in Europe for another 10 years and afterwards they have a long lifetime.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      Younger people are growing up facing an existential threat from climate change, they're the next generation of car buyers, and they're not passionate about or interested in maintaining the status quo. My fathers generation was, most people were very concerned at the idea of there being no more ICE vehicles on the road, as if something important was being taken away from them from a cultural standpoint.
HPsquared 3y ago
EVs produce almost no brake dust. Someone needs to develop tyres that are made of healthier materials.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  They produce break dust.
  - quonn 3y ago
    Maybe you should have asked ChatGPT. It would have told you that due to regenerative breaking no break dust is produced. The recuperation is pretty strong and there is absolutely no need to ever break inside a city, except in rare emergency situations.
- quonn 3y ago
  > Someone needs to develop tyres that are made of healthier materials. Good point. We certainly have the technology. Currently tyres are half natural rubber and half plastic. They could be made 100% rubber, perhaps with some drawbacks. Maybe an engineer can comment on that, I would be very interested to know why exactly the non natural rubber is needed. I know that Continental has a research project to make the natural rubber out of dandelion. But even those tyres still have 50% plastic rubber.
  - pjc50 3y ago
    I suspect that's partly due to the scale of land use that would be required for rubber plantations.
    - quonn 3y ago
      So it's a price issue? Well then the prices of tyres will go up, I don't see a fundamental problem here. This will also create a natural incentive to drive in a way that minimises wear on the tyres. If it's a dandelion plantation it can be done in central Europe, for example.
quonn 3y ago
> Break dust Should not occur in EVs because braking is not necessary. > Tyre dust Fine. In cities this is one of the easiest problems to solve, since most of it is washed out into drainage pipes and the waste water can be effectively filtered (although this is not done in most places yet). Fortunately I don't live in a city anymore so I don't have to put up with these rules.

This is true. But I fear that this talking point will be used by lobbyists and pro-ICE fanatics to justify more climate damage than necessary.

ChatGTP 3y ago
The world is off ICEs now, no amount of lobbying is going to convince people they’re a good idea going forwards.
- quonn 3y ago
  > The world is off ICEs now How is it off ICE? It's slowly moving in the right direction, but very slowly indeed. New ICE will be produced and sold even in Europe for another 10 years and afterwards they have a long lifetime.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Younger people are growing up facing an existential threat from climate change, they're the next generation of car buyers, and they're not passionate about or interested in maintaining the status quo. My fathers generation was, most people were very concerned at the idea of there being no more ICE vehicles on the road, as if something important was being taken away from them from a cultural standpoint.

HPsquared 3y ago

EVs produce almost no brake dust. Someone needs to develop tyres that are made of healthier materials.

ChatGTP 3y ago
They produce break dust.
- quonn 3y ago
  Maybe you should have asked ChatGPT. It would have told you that due to regenerative breaking no break dust is produced. The recuperation is pretty strong and there is absolutely no need to ever break inside a city, except in rare emergency situations.
quonn 3y ago
> Someone needs to develop tyres that are made of healthier materials. Good point. We certainly have the technology. Currently tyres are half natural rubber and half plastic. They could be made 100% rubber, perhaps with some drawbacks. Maybe an engineer can comment on that, I would be very interested to know why exactly the non natural rubber is needed. I know that Continental has a research project to make the natural rubber out of dandelion. But even those tyres still have 50% plastic rubber.
- pjc50 3y ago
  I suspect that's partly due to the scale of land use that would be required for rubber plantations.
  - quonn 3y ago
    So it's a price issue? Well then the prices of tyres will go up, I don't see a fundamental problem here. This will also create a natural incentive to drive in a way that minimises wear on the tyres. If it's a dandelion plantation it can be done in central Europe, for example.

quonn 3y ago

> Break dust Should not occur in EVs because braking is not necessary. > Tyre dust Fine. In cities this is one of the easiest problems to solve, since most of it is washed out into drainage pipes and the waste water can be effectively filtered (although this is not done in most places yet). Fortunately I don't live in a city anymore so I don't have to put up with these rules.