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There seems to be a colossal misunderstanding in the first line. > successful, meaningful careers, and they just didn't see how they could juggle those jobs

There seems to be a colossal misunderstanding in the first line. > successful, meaningful careers, and they just didn't see how they could juggle those jobs and the demands of parenthood. That's a false dilemma. Meaning does not come from a bare "career". It comes from how that "career" relates to others. Not everyone can have kids, and many of us find ourselves alone. "Kids" could equally be replaced by charity work, intimate relationships, sports or whatever. But rising up the ranks and accumulating a big pile of money brings neither success nor meaning. I think the observed change in attitudes has less to do with parenting (or not) than that the present generation have bought into the corporate lie much more than earlier ones.

j7ake 3y ago
It’s also not meaningful if that career coerces you to give up your outside family life (by imposing a huge penalty for having kids) so you can keep working your desk job, report to a boss, and have your 3 weeks of vacation a year.
- nonrandomstring 3y ago
  > imposing a huge penalty for having kids It shocked me to find quite how devious and aggressive workplaces can be towards women that get pregnant (or who they simply suspect of being in a potentially "fertile" relationship). Shouldn't it be illegal for employers to monitor communications that might indicate impending motherhood? What about measuring their body temperature covertly? Spying on eating habits. Or making comments about weight and shape? So you don't have to deal with searching for "Pregnant and screwed" :) here's a link I dug up for people [0] and some real accounts from women in IT who get the sharp end of this [1]. One woman I know went through a wrenching and drawn out court case and won a small fortune against a big British company. She was not able to come on the show because that settlement for constructive dismissal came with a serious NDA/gagging order. [0] https://pregnantthenscrewed.com/ https://pregnantthenscrewed.com/ [1] https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=22 https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=22
  - seec 3y ago
    It can only be shocking if you see things in you own selfish point of view. You define business as souless corporation but most of them are actually small organization that have real people depending on them and that just get by. Hiring someone who can be unreliable and just leave its position is really a bad deal for the business (and indirectly all the coworker if the postion was actually useful). The problem is mostly women who wants to have it all either you want to suffer through the sacrifice that are asked to a man for work or you want kids, you choose; but complaining about this just show the unreal level of entitlement the women of todays have imposed on society. Its particularly insane to have peoples complaining about this in the current society, when women have received an insane level of positive discrimination and the major problem is actually how bad most of the men have it.

j7ake 3y ago

It’s also not meaningful if that career coerces you to give up your outside family life (by imposing a huge penalty for having kids) so you can keep working your desk job, report to a boss, and have your 3 weeks of vacation a year.

nonrandomstring 3y ago
> imposing a huge penalty for having kids It shocked me to find quite how devious and aggressive workplaces can be towards women that get pregnant (or who they simply suspect of being in a potentially "fertile" relationship). Shouldn't it be illegal for employers to monitor communications that might indicate impending motherhood? What about measuring their body temperature covertly? Spying on eating habits. Or making comments about weight and shape? So you don't have to deal with searching for "Pregnant and screwed" :) here's a link I dug up for people [0] and some real accounts from women in IT who get the sharp end of this [1]. One woman I know went through a wrenching and drawn out court case and won a small fortune against a big British company. She was not able to come on the show because that settlement for constructive dismissal came with a serious NDA/gagging order. [0] https://pregnantthenscrewed.com/ https://pregnantthenscrewed.com/ [1] https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=22 https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=22
- seec 3y ago
  It can only be shocking if you see things in you own selfish point of view. You define business as souless corporation but most of them are actually small organization that have real people depending on them and that just get by. Hiring someone who can be unreliable and just leave its position is really a bad deal for the business (and indirectly all the coworker if the postion was actually useful). The problem is mostly women who wants to have it all either you want to suffer through the sacrifice that are asked to a man for work or you want kids, you choose; but complaining about this just show the unreal level of entitlement the women of todays have imposed on society. Its particularly insane to have peoples complaining about this in the current society, when women have received an insane level of positive discrimination and the major problem is actually how bad most of the men have it.