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And card counters.

GuB-42 3y ago
Do they still exist? They have closed most of the gaps previously exploited by card counters, and continuous shufflers are everywhere. I think the only ones who can make money are those playing poker and are really good at it. That's because they are playing against other players and not the bank. They still have to beat the rake. I'm not even sure comp players, that is those who play to get non-cash rewards like travels, restaurant and hotel stays while minimizing their losses can still have an advantage. I heard that casinos calculate comps by expected losses, making sure they stay on top (statistically). And they are cheaters, but it is like saying thieves can make money.
- Quppi 3y ago
  They do, and some even document it on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbridges/videos https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbridges/videos Can recommend his videos, quite interesting and nice insights into casino procedures.
- sgjohnson 3y ago
  > And they are cheaters, but it is like saying thieves can make money. Absolutely not. Using your brains to keep track of cards is not cheating in any way, shape or form. They are simply using all the available information and some pretty basic math to them to gain an advantage. Calling card counters cheaters is like calling chess players with better knowledge of patterns than their opponents cheaters. They are not cheaters.
  - mcherm 3y ago
    The post you are responding to addressed card counters at the top, claiming the casinos have closed most of the loopholes that enabled card counting to be profitable. The cheating it mentions at the bottom is not card counting (technically legal), but genuine cheating.
- rowyourboat 3y ago
  Card counting isn't cheating, it's how you play card games.
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    Until the houses realises and chucks you out.
- nephanth 3y ago
  Card counting is cheating. Thinking before playing is cheating. Also, knowing the rules of the game is cheating. You should only play at random and never ever think
- Bluecobra 3y ago
  Not sure if casinos still bend rules/give special deals to high rollers but it sure worked out for this guy: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/04/the-man-who-broke-atlantic-city/308900/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/04/the-man...

And card counters.

Do they still exist? They have closed most of the gaps previously exploited by card counters, and continuous shufflers are everywhere. I think the only ones who can make money are those playing poker and are really good at it. That's because they are playing against other players and not the bank. They still have to beat the rake. I'm not even sure comp players, that is those who play to get non-cash rewards like travels, restaurant and hotel stays while minimizing their losses can still have an advantage. I heard that casinos calculate comps by expected losses, making sure they stay on top (statistically). And they are cheaters, but it is like saying thieves can make money.

Quppi 3y ago
They do, and some even document it on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbridges/videos https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbridges/videos Can recommend his videos, quite interesting and nice insights into casino procedures.
sgjohnson 3y ago
> And they are cheaters, but it is like saying thieves can make money. Absolutely not. Using your brains to keep track of cards is not cheating in any way, shape or form. They are simply using all the available information and some pretty basic math to them to gain an advantage. Calling card counters cheaters is like calling chess players with better knowledge of patterns than their opponents cheaters. They are not cheaters.
- mcherm 3y ago
  The post you are responding to addressed card counters at the top, claiming the casinos have closed most of the loopholes that enabled card counting to be profitable. The cheating it mentions at the bottom is not card counting (technically legal), but genuine cheating.
rowyourboat 3y ago
Card counting isn't cheating, it's how you play card games.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  Until the houses realises and chucks you out.
nephanth 3y ago
Card counting is cheating. Thinking before playing is cheating. Also, knowing the rules of the game is cheating. You should only play at random and never ever think
Bluecobra 3y ago
Not sure if casinos still bend rules/give special deals to high rollers but it sure worked out for this guy: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/04/the-man-who-broke-atlantic-city/308900/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/04/the-man...