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There are only two types of people: those that believe they can outsmart the house, and those that never gamble.

by sph 3y ago

yreg 3y ago
If that was true, the house wouldn't throw people out for suspected card counting.
- stavros 3y ago
  Aka "we don't want you here because you might win".
- darkwater 3y ago
  If they threw you out, you clearly didn't outsmart them.
  - TrickyRick 3y ago
    Not really, no card counter goes unnoticed forever. It's about making sure you get enough time to play when the count is high that you manage to earn money. If you're curious about the life of card counters I can't recommend this YouTube channel enough: https://www.youtube.com/stevenbridges https://www.youtube.com/stevenbridges
  - yreg 3y ago
    You don't always get thrown out. Part of the game is monitoring the atmosphere on the floor and behave accordingly in order to not get thrown out. Even if you do get thrown out it is already after you have won some money thanks to your edge and therefore 'outsmarted' them.
    - c0pium 3y ago
      > You don't always get thrown out …because it’s actually extremely difficult to do with the countermeasures casinos now use, more decks and random cutoffs. Letting you try is very profitable though. The whole environment part is of course not useful. None of the monitoring happening where you can see.
- Eji1700 3y ago
  Which they rarely do now because the number of people able and willing to count a 7 deck shoe with a random cutoff is extremely small and it benefits them to let people try.
sgjohnson 3y ago
And card counters.
- GuB-42 3y ago
  Do they still exist? They have closed most of the gaps previously exploited by card counters, and continuous shufflers are everywhere. I think the only ones who can make money are those playing poker and are really good at it. That's because they are playing against other players and not the bank. They still have to beat the rake. I'm not even sure comp players, that is those who play to get non-cash rewards like travels, restaurant and hotel stays while minimizing their losses can still have an advantage. I heard that casinos calculate comps by expected losses, making sure they stay on top (statistically). And they are cheaters, but it is like saying thieves can make money.
  - Quppi 3y ago
    They do, and some even document it on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbridges/videos https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbridges/videos Can recommend his videos, quite interesting and nice insights into casino procedures.
  - sgjohnson 3y ago
    > And they are cheaters, but it is like saying thieves can make money. Absolutely not. Using your brains to keep track of cards is not cheating in any way, shape or form. They are simply using all the available information and some pretty basic math to them to gain an advantage. Calling card counters cheaters is like calling chess players with better knowledge of patterns than their opponents cheaters. They are not cheaters.
    - mcherm 3y ago
      The post you are responding to addressed card counters at the top, claiming the casinos have closed most of the loopholes that enabled card counting to be profitable. The cheating it mentions at the bottom is not card counting (technically legal), but genuine cheating.
roygbiv2 3y ago
That's deffinately not true, I used to go to the casino under no illusion I'd come out poorer. I'd just do it because it was fun.
askvictor 3y ago
And then there's David Walsh and his syndicate
Pikamander2 3y ago
A strange game; the only winning move is not to play.
- capitainenemo 3y ago
  Well, there are occasionally a few other legal options.. https://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/loss-rebate/ https://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/loss-rebate/ Also a couple of video poker variants have actual positive (!) returns with perfect play. https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/basics/#playing-strategy https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/basics/#playing-s...

There are only two types of people: those that believe they can outsmart the house, and those that never gamble.

by sph 3y ago

There are only two types of people: those that believe they can outsmart the house, and those that never gamble.

yreg 3y ago

If that was true, the house wouldn't throw people out for suspected card counting.

stavros 3y ago
Aka "we don't want you here because you might win".
darkwater 3y ago
If they threw you out, you clearly didn't outsmart them.
- TrickyRick 3y ago
  Not really, no card counter goes unnoticed forever. It's about making sure you get enough time to play when the count is high that you manage to earn money. If you're curious about the life of card counters I can't recommend this YouTube channel enough: https://www.youtube.com/stevenbridges https://www.youtube.com/stevenbridges
- yreg 3y ago
  You don't always get thrown out. Part of the game is monitoring the atmosphere on the floor and behave accordingly in order to not get thrown out. Even if you do get thrown out it is already after you have won some money thanks to your edge and therefore 'outsmarted' them.
  - c0pium 3y ago
    > You don't always get thrown out …because it’s actually extremely difficult to do with the countermeasures casinos now use, more decks and random cutoffs. Letting you try is very profitable though. The whole environment part is of course not useful. None of the monitoring happening where you can see.
Eji1700 3y ago
Which they rarely do now because the number of people able and willing to count a 7 deck shoe with a random cutoff is extremely small and it benefits them to let people try.

sgjohnson 3y ago

And card counters.

GuB-42 3y ago
Do they still exist? They have closed most of the gaps previously exploited by card counters, and continuous shufflers are everywhere. I think the only ones who can make money are those playing poker and are really good at it. That's because they are playing against other players and not the bank. They still have to beat the rake. I'm not even sure comp players, that is those who play to get non-cash rewards like travels, restaurant and hotel stays while minimizing their losses can still have an advantage. I heard that casinos calculate comps by expected losses, making sure they stay on top (statistically). And they are cheaters, but it is like saying thieves can make money.
- Quppi 3y ago
  They do, and some even document it on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbridges/videos https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbridges/videos Can recommend his videos, quite interesting and nice insights into casino procedures.
- sgjohnson 3y ago
  > And they are cheaters, but it is like saying thieves can make money. Absolutely not. Using your brains to keep track of cards is not cheating in any way, shape or form. They are simply using all the available information and some pretty basic math to them to gain an advantage. Calling card counters cheaters is like calling chess players with better knowledge of patterns than their opponents cheaters. They are not cheaters.
  - mcherm 3y ago
    The post you are responding to addressed card counters at the top, claiming the casinos have closed most of the loopholes that enabled card counting to be profitable. The cheating it mentions at the bottom is not card counting (technically legal), but genuine cheating.

roygbiv2 3y ago

That's deffinately not true, I used to go to the casino under no illusion I'd come out poorer. I'd just do it because it was fun.

askvictor 3y ago

And then there's David Walsh and his syndicate

Pikamander2 3y ago

A strange game; the only winning move is not to play.

capitainenemo 3y ago
Well, there are occasionally a few other legal options.. https://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/loss-rebate/ https://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/loss-rebate/ Also a couple of video poker variants have actual positive (!) returns with perfect play. https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/basics/#playing-strategy https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/basics/#playing-s...