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This ignores the fact that many of the apps people use are designed and A/B tested to maximize time spent/wasted. The fact that it happens to not work on you do

This ignores the fact that many of the apps people use are designed and A/B tested to maximize time spent/wasted. The fact that it happens to not work on you does not mean it works for everyone. Sometimes an addiction really is because something is designed to be incredibly addictive, not because of some underlying psychological issue with the user.

dinkleberg 3y ago
Uninstalling the apps is a good first step.
- MattRix 3y ago
  The problem is that most of these apps have good and bad stuff on them. I get a lot of value out of high quality content on youtube, but I also have to try really hard to not get sucked into watching an endless stream of garbage youtube shorts. Also even if you delete the apps, most people are in social groups with people who still use them and send links to content on them. It’s hard to avoid them entirely.
15457345234 3y ago
It's pure gaslighting 'it isn't the drug that's addictive, it's the user that has issues' lol no sweetie
- goosejuice 3y ago
  Hardly 'pure gaslighting'. Both can be true. The user is a part of the equation.
  - 15457345234 3y ago
    The user is more likely to turn to a drug or their phone if they find their life unsatisfying but that doesn't alter the fact that the drug/phone can be far more stimulating than any experience they'd encounter 'organically' That's the issue; the real world can only offer up so much so fast. Drugs and the scroll can offer it faster. Expecting people to turn away from that even when it's visibly harming them isn't reasonable; we know for a fact it doesn't happen, people overdose on fentanyl and then immediately go back to buy more.
    - goosejuice 3y ago
      I think we agree that things are addictive. Perhaps we disagree on the practical approach to resolving that. You aren't going to rid the world of fentanyl or cell phones. So now what?
      - 15457345234 3y ago
        The physical world is hard to manipulate; the digital one less resistant to legislation. India banned TikTok by legislation and made it stick. Rule that social media properties are either dangerously addictive or enemy cyberweapons and ban them.

dinkleberg 3y ago

Uninstalling the apps is a good first step.

MattRix 3y ago
The problem is that most of these apps have good and bad stuff on them. I get a lot of value out of high quality content on youtube, but I also have to try really hard to not get sucked into watching an endless stream of garbage youtube shorts. Also even if you delete the apps, most people are in social groups with people who still use them and send links to content on them. It’s hard to avoid them entirely.

15457345234 3y ago

It's pure gaslighting 'it isn't the drug that's addictive, it's the user that has issues' lol no sweetie

goosejuice 3y ago
Hardly 'pure gaslighting'. Both can be true. The user is a part of the equation.
- 15457345234 3y ago
  The user is more likely to turn to a drug or their phone if they find their life unsatisfying but that doesn't alter the fact that the drug/phone can be far more stimulating than any experience they'd encounter 'organically' That's the issue; the real world can only offer up so much so fast. Drugs and the scroll can offer it faster. Expecting people to turn away from that even when it's visibly harming them isn't reasonable; we know for a fact it doesn't happen, people overdose on fentanyl and then immediately go back to buy more.
  - goosejuice 3y ago
    I think we agree that things are addictive. Perhaps we disagree on the practical approach to resolving that. You aren't going to rid the world of fentanyl or cell phones. So now what?
    - 15457345234 3y ago
      The physical world is hard to manipulate; the digital one less resistant to legislation. India banned TikTok by legislation and made it stick. Rule that social media properties are either dangerously addictive or enemy cyberweapons and ban them.