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>"The universities will continue to lack the courage to teach hard science, they will continue to misguide the students, and each next stage of infantilization

by mc32 3y ago

>"The universities will continue to lack the courage to teach hard science, they will continue to misguide the students, and each next stage of infantilization of the curriculum will be hailed as educational progress." He was complaining of the watering down of curricula in Netherlander unis... He moved to TX in '84 due to the infantilization of students (by the Dutch). We now have some high school teachers who say they will not issue Ds and Fs and instead will give incompletes only... I'm afraid we have eclipsed the Dutch.

NavinF 3y ago
> they will not issue Ds and Fs and instead will give incompletes only Seems fine to me. Grades have always been totally arbitrarily. Just look at test scores instead
- mc32 3y ago
  So why are they inflating As if grades don't matter and are arbitrary (I don't think they are). The A kid knows a whole lot more than the kid with Ds. Or put another way, for most knowledge economy jobs, I would prefer hiring unwatered straight A students over straight D students. If I needed burger flippers or landscapers, I probably would prefer straight D students --they just want to get their job done, few questions asked, and you let them bitch about the job and the economy. Does anyone here think China is going to water down their education and risk their competitiveness in hard sciences and maths?
  - NavinF 3y ago
    I meant that grades have a low correlation with both general intelligence (g factor) and performance on specific jobs like software engineering. > why are they inflating As Because some people still think that grades matter > The A kid knows a whole lot more than the kid with Ds Sure but you can figure that out with just one leetcode question. After taking LC performance into account, there are ~0 bits of information left in grades
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nerdponx 3y ago
Those high school teachers are, just like everyone else, primarily individuals responding to the incentives and costs with which they are presented. Infantilization might be a long-term symptom, but don't make it sound like creeping moral degradation is an underlying cause.

by mc32 3y ago

NavinF 3y ago

> they will not issue Ds and Fs and instead will give incompletes only Seems fine to me. Grades have always been totally arbitrarily. Just look at test scores instead

mc32 3y ago
So why are they inflating As if grades don't matter and are arbitrary (I don't think they are). The A kid knows a whole lot more than the kid with Ds. Or put another way, for most knowledge economy jobs, I would prefer hiring unwatered straight A students over straight D students. If I needed burger flippers or landscapers, I probably would prefer straight D students --they just want to get their job done, few questions asked, and you let them bitch about the job and the economy. Does anyone here think China is going to water down their education and risk their competitiveness in hard sciences and maths?
- NavinF 3y ago
  I meant that grades have a low correlation with both general intelligence (g factor) and performance on specific jobs like software engineering. > why are they inflating As Because some people still think that grades matter > The A kid knows a whole lot more than the kid with Ds Sure but you can figure that out with just one leetcode question. After taking LC performance into account, there are ~0 bits of information left in grades
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nerdponx 3y ago

Those high school teachers are, just like everyone else, primarily individuals responding to the incentives and costs with which they are presented. Infantilization might be a long-term symptom, but don't make it sound like creeping moral degradation is an underlying cause.