4 ms·

The idea behind the gas stove ban, is that it's supposed to be a gas appliance ban. Most of a house's gas consumption is heating and hot water, but people will

The idea behind the gas stove ban, is that it's supposed to be a gas appliance ban. Most of a house's gas consumption is heating and hot water, but people will keep gas because of the stove. Gas itself has a lot of problems. Ignoring the safety concerns (oof!), the micro-leaks from gas pipelines is a major source of greenhouse gases. But we can't clean up all the pipes if everyone is still using gas stoves.

peteradio 3y ago
So its subversive. Nice!
kwhitefoot 3y ago
> the safety concerns I know a lot of people worry about gas, my grandmother wouldn't have it in the house. But is there any solid evidence that it is as dangerous as people think it is? I have been cooking with gas for all my adult life and I'm 68 with no problems whatsoever. And until I left the UK in 1986 we used gas fired central heating and hot water, again with no problems. I don't know anyone personally who has ever had a safety problem with a gas installation.
- lmm 3y ago
  It only takes one Ronan Point to outweigh a great many people who never had a safety problem with a gas installation. The UK imposed a strict inspection and regulation regime (to the point that a common "life pro tip" is: if you're living in rented accommodation with gas and haven't received a gas safety certificate, never mention it to your landlord until you move out, that way you're always entitled to 100% of your deposit back and can avoid having to argue over wear and tear etc.) which has its own costs.
  - seabass-labrax 3y ago
    > ...a common "life pro tip" is: if you're living in rented accommodation with gas and haven't received a gas safety certificate, never mention it to your landlord until you move out, that way you're always entitled to 100% of your deposit back... It's only a 'life pro tip' if you get to keep it. Keep your life, that is.
  - kwhitefoot 3y ago
    I do see your point but the Ronan Point disaster was principally due to poor building practices. "The gas may have accumulated at the ceiling, explaining why the resident did not notice it. The explosion was not significant in magnitude. The resident’s hearing had not been damaged. This suggested that the pressure was less than 70 kPa (10 psi) (Bignell 1977). Items were taken from the kitchen of this apartment and tested. Results indicated that these objects had been exposed to pressures of less than 70 kPa (10 psi). The Building Research Station and Imperial College of Lon don performed an extensive battery of tests to discover how much internal force Ronan Point could withstand. The results indicated that the walls could be displaced by a pressure of only 19.3 kPa (2.8 psi) (Levy and Salvadori 1992). It was estimated that the kitchen and living room walls were moved by a pressure of only 1.7 kPa (0.25 psi), while the exterior wall was displaced with a pressure of 21 kPa (3 psi) (Griffiths et al. 1968)." https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1021&context=encee_facpub https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a...

peteradio 3y ago

So its subversive. Nice!

kwhitefoot 3y ago

> the safety concerns I know a lot of people worry about gas, my grandmother wouldn't have it in the house. But is there any solid evidence that it is as dangerous as people think it is? I have been cooking with gas for all my adult life and I'm 68 with no problems whatsoever. And until I left the UK in 1986 we used gas fired central heating and hot water, again with no problems. I don't know anyone personally who has ever had a safety problem with a gas installation.

lmm 3y ago
It only takes one Ronan Point to outweigh a great many people who never had a safety problem with a gas installation. The UK imposed a strict inspection and regulation regime (to the point that a common "life pro tip" is: if you're living in rented accommodation with gas and haven't received a gas safety certificate, never mention it to your landlord until you move out, that way you're always entitled to 100% of your deposit back and can avoid having to argue over wear and tear etc.) which has its own costs.
- seabass-labrax 3y ago
  > ...a common "life pro tip" is: if you're living in rented accommodation with gas and haven't received a gas safety certificate, never mention it to your landlord until you move out, that way you're always entitled to 100% of your deposit back... It's only a 'life pro tip' if you get to keep it. Keep your life, that is.
- kwhitefoot 3y ago
  I do see your point but the Ronan Point disaster was principally due to poor building practices. "The gas may have accumulated at the ceiling, explaining why the resident did not notice it. The explosion was not significant in magnitude. The resident’s hearing had not been damaged. This suggested that the pressure was less than 70 kPa (10 psi) (Bignell 1977). Items were taken from the kitchen of this apartment and tested. Results indicated that these objects had been exposed to pressures of less than 70 kPa (10 psi). The Building Research Station and Imperial College of Lon don performed an extensive battery of tests to discover how much internal force Ronan Point could withstand. The results indicated that the walls could be displaced by a pressure of only 19.3 kPa (2.8 psi) (Levy and Salvadori 1992). It was estimated that the kitchen and living room walls were moved by a pressure of only 1.7 kPa (0.25 psi), while the exterior wall was displaced with a pressure of 21 kPa (3 psi) (Griffiths et al. 1968)." https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1021&context=encee_facpub https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a...