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> Private jets since they are a little minority does not count except for PR/emotions (no, I do not have one). They do count. It's incredibly important that

by tux1968 3y ago

> Private jets since they are a little minority does not count except for PR/emotions (no, I do not have one). They do count. It's incredibly important that elites/leaders have skin in the game, and live by the same rules as those they govern.

Ekaros 3y ago
I personally expect anyone asking for sacrifices, to make even bigger sacrifices themselves. And those that actually impact their quality of live. Like if you want to ban meat, you should be ready to get rid of things like coffee or large selections of fruits and vegetables.
- kkfx 3y ago
  A vulgar popular phrase from where I'm from (Italy) is "we are for equity, fairness, so we put it, you the people have than to get is, fifty-fifty". That's the kind of sacrifice ALL ruling classes in the known history have asked and "taken themselves".
kkfx 3y ago
This is unpopular here but... The green new deal have not much about ecology, at least is marginal, and have much about economy. The substantial targets announced in many occasions are impoverishing the 99% to make them workers operating services they do not own, consuming services to live, balancing their income and expenses to own nothing, no matter how much they earn. Did you read for instance the "forecasts" of US DNI from the 2004 https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Global%20Trends_Mapping%20the%20Global%20Future%202020%20Project.pdf https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Global%20Trends_Mapping%... with notes about a stop in the development of Democracies to use in the west the China model to counter China or reports like https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/uam-full-report.pdf https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/uam-full-... take this: did you see that the main focus is "making people accepting" and whole "urban mobility" is written everywhere try to imaging how such kind of mobility could be possible in dense cities, while it match perfectly sparse areas where some wealthy move and sometimes also reach a city via an small "inter modal node-building"? Did you really think we can produce enough EVs to substitute old cars (old EVs included, a generation after another)? Where did you imaging a p.v. centered electricity production in cities? Where the place to install heat pumps for heating and cooling and sanitary water in high rise apartments buildings? The entire "material part" of the Green New Deal is about single family homes in a sparse area with some small buildings for commerce, industry, schools and so on. It's NOT about an entire society. We can converge to electricity as we almost have done with IP for signal appliances, but NOT in the way depicted by the green deal for a whole society. It's clear that such scenario is a new old classic, well depicted by this advertisement https://appliedevtolconcepts.com/ https://appliedevtolconcepts.com/ witch is not different from the '20s/30s advertisement of a gentleman on a car traveling from a nice home looking at workers in the countryside. Be aware that not, I'm not from US far right, I'm a EU leftist citizen, having choose to built a new home, an EV, a domestic p.v. and having done the best I can to integrate my home appliance to maximize self-consumption. I know such model could work, but I also know is directed in ways to achieve BEFORE the new deal material part, the new deal "in 2030 you'll own nothing" part. Beside that you can read everywhere from famous economists, certainly not from the far right, like Varoufakis about https://unherd.com/2023/09/capitalism-is-dead-long-live-technofeudalism/ https://unherd.com/2023/09/capitalism-is-dead-long-live-tech... or generic articles like https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/billionaires-pandemic-wealth-democracy-economic-control-bezos/ https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/billionaires-pandemic-wealth-... and so on. If you really go deeper you'll find this story https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/nazis-based-their-elite-schools-on-top-british-private-schools https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/nazis-based-th... and this management school http://www.intellinews.com/ukraine-could-be-a-beacon-about-the-power-of-capitalism-says-larry-fink-ceo-of-blackrock-267557/ http://www.intellinews.com/ukraine-could-be-a-beacon-about-t... of the same people of the past https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/trump-fdr-roosevelt-coup-attempt-1930s https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/trump-... essentially: those who effectively craft a significant advance in technological terms on the blood of the 99% keeping for themselves a very big slice, those who made the most pollution and the current state of things, who again pretend to be good people with a good recipe to save the world.

Ekaros 3y ago

I personally expect anyone asking for sacrifices, to make even bigger sacrifices themselves. And those that actually impact their quality of live. Like if you want to ban meat, you should be ready to get rid of things like coffee or large selections of fruits and vegetables.

kkfx 3y ago
A vulgar popular phrase from where I'm from (Italy) is "we are for equity, fairness, so we put it, you the people have than to get is, fifty-fifty". That's the kind of sacrifice ALL ruling classes in the known history have asked and "taken themselves".

kkfx 3y ago

This is unpopular here but... The green new deal have not much about ecology, at least is marginal, and have much about economy. The substantial targets announced in many occasions are impoverishing the 99% to make them workers operating services they do not own, consuming services to live, balancing their income and expenses to own nothing, no matter how much they earn. Did you read for instance the "forecasts" of US DNI from the 2004 https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Global%20Trends_Mapping%20the%20Global%20Future%202020%20Project.pdf https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Global%20Trends_Mapping%... with notes about a stop in the development of Democracies to use in the west the China model to counter China or reports like https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/uam-full-report.pdf https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/uam-full-... take this: did you see that the main focus is "making people accepting" and whole "urban mobility" is written everywhere try to imaging how such kind of mobility could be possible in dense cities, while it match perfectly sparse areas where some wealthy move and sometimes also reach a city via an small "inter modal node-building"? Did you really think we can produce enough EVs to substitute old cars (old EVs included, a generation after another)? Where did you imaging a p.v. centered electricity production in cities? Where the place to install heat pumps for heating and cooling and sanitary water in high rise apartments buildings? The entire "material part" of the Green New Deal is about single family homes in a sparse area with some small buildings for commerce, industry, schools and so on. It's NOT about an entire society. We can converge to electricity as we almost have done with IP for signal appliances, but NOT in the way depicted by the green deal for a whole society. It's clear that such scenario is a new old classic, well depicted by this advertisement https://appliedevtolconcepts.com/ https://appliedevtolconcepts.com/ witch is not different from the '20s/30s advertisement of a gentleman on a car traveling from a nice home looking at workers in the countryside. Be aware that not, I'm not from US far right, I'm a EU leftist citizen, having choose to built a new home, an EV, a domestic p.v. and having done the best I can to integrate my home appliance to maximize self-consumption. I know such model could work, but I also know is directed in ways to achieve BEFORE the new deal material part, the new deal "in 2030 you'll own nothing" part. Beside that you can read everywhere from famous economists, certainly not from the far right, like Varoufakis about https://unherd.com/2023/09/capitalism-is-dead-long-live-technofeudalism/ https://unherd.com/2023/09/capitalism-is-dead-long-live-tech... or generic articles like https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/billionaires-pandemic-wealth-democracy-economic-control-bezos/ https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/billionaires-pandemic-wealth-... and so on. If you really go deeper you'll find this story https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/nazis-based-their-elite-schools-on-top-british-private-schools https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/nazis-based-th... and this management school http://www.intellinews.com/ukraine-could-be-a-beacon-about-the-power-of-capitalism-says-larry-fink-ceo-of-blackrock-267557/ http://www.intellinews.com/ukraine-could-be-a-beacon-about-t... of the same people of the past https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/trump-fdr-roosevelt-coup-attempt-1930s https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/trump-... essentially: those who effectively craft a significant advance in technological terms on the blood of the 99% keeping for themselves a very big slice, those who made the most pollution and the current state of things, who again pretend to be good people with a good recipe to save the world.