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We can though. There's a lot of fearmongering but the reality is climate change won't kill us for longer than we'll live. There's also a lot of gradient in the

We can though. There's a lot of fearmongering but the reality is climate change won't kill us for longer than we'll live. There's also a lot of gradient in the effect of environmental laws. As an example my family still has tons of plastic bags that get reused over and over again until they become unusable or land as a trash bag. I don't know the math of it all but considering we buy plastic trash bags anyway we might as well get them from shopping instead of buying them separately. I have no idea what the global impact has been on plastic bag production but it could be interesting to see, assuming such a statistic exists.

grecy 3y ago
> the reality is climate change won't kill us for longer than we'll live. That depends heavily on where you live. 3.6 billion people live in areas that are at a very high risk from climate change. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/climate-change-and-health https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/climate-cha... > There's a lot of fearmongering If you have better credentials than the WHO and leading climatologists around the world then I'd love to hear about them.
willsmith72 3y ago
> There's a lot of fearmongering but the reality is climate change won't kill us for longer than we'll live. I really don't like this take when I see it. Do you care about just the next 50 years, or the next hundreds+? Do you have children/grandchildren? Do you care about an increase in the quantity and impact of natural disasters? The resulting increase in death, suffering, insurance premiums? What about more unpleasantly hot days? Less snow on the ski slopes? All of that stuff is important to me, even though it almost certainly won't kill me personally. It's just such a no-brainer that the environment and climate is something to cherish and protect. Even if you're generally pro-environment, referring to environment-protection measures as fearmongering only makes it harder to enact them and increase their scale.
- Lanolderen 3y ago
  I don't mind environmentalism and I also see why people prefer to portray a picture of "you will die" instead of "your grand grand grand kids will die" but I also personally dislike it when people skew the picture to push their agenda, even if it is good and pushed entirely out of their love and care for others. It might be due to me being surrounded by automotive enthusiasts but the general view of recent environmental laws in my circles is that they exist mostly to motivate spending and move some local pollution somewhere else. It's kind of the combination of nonsensical laws and short term effect exaggeration that offends people, making them stubborn/resistant to accepting things that actually make sense. It's probably offset by people who get a sense of urgency out of it but I withhold my right to dislike it.
  - willsmith72 3y ago
    we're just in different cultures/societies/circles then. around me, no one's portraying "you will die", and I don't feel at all surrounded by nonsensical environmental laws. if anything, it's the opposite. why aren't builders in my city taxed more for using materials with worse environmental effects? why aren't extremely inefficient vehicles taxed more highly? why such little investment in bike lanes? those are the nonsensical laws i see

grecy 3y ago

> the reality is climate change won't kill us for longer than we'll live. That depends heavily on where you live. 3.6 billion people live in areas that are at a very high risk from climate change. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/climate-change-and-health https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/climate-cha... > There's a lot of fearmongering If you have better credentials than the WHO and leading climatologists around the world then I'd love to hear about them.

willsmith72 3y ago

> There's a lot of fearmongering but the reality is climate change won't kill us for longer than we'll live. I really don't like this take when I see it. Do you care about just the next 50 years, or the next hundreds+? Do you have children/grandchildren? Do you care about an increase in the quantity and impact of natural disasters? The resulting increase in death, suffering, insurance premiums? What about more unpleasantly hot days? Less snow on the ski slopes? All of that stuff is important to me, even though it almost certainly won't kill me personally. It's just such a no-brainer that the environment and climate is something to cherish and protect. Even if you're generally pro-environment, referring to environment-protection measures as fearmongering only makes it harder to enact them and increase their scale.

Lanolderen 3y ago
I don't mind environmentalism and I also see why people prefer to portray a picture of "you will die" instead of "your grand grand grand kids will die" but I also personally dislike it when people skew the picture to push their agenda, even if it is good and pushed entirely out of their love and care for others. It might be due to me being surrounded by automotive enthusiasts but the general view of recent environmental laws in my circles is that they exist mostly to motivate spending and move some local pollution somewhere else. It's kind of the combination of nonsensical laws and short term effect exaggeration that offends people, making them stubborn/resistant to accepting things that actually make sense. It's probably offset by people who get a sense of urgency out of it but I withhold my right to dislike it.
- willsmith72 3y ago
  we're just in different cultures/societies/circles then. around me, no one's portraying "you will die", and I don't feel at all surrounded by nonsensical environmental laws. if anything, it's the opposite. why aren't builders in my city taxed more for using materials with worse environmental effects? why aren't extremely inefficient vehicles taxed more highly? why such little investment in bike lanes? those are the nonsensical laws i see