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>express and demonstrate challenges with understanding sarcasm, irony, nonverbal cues, idioms, figures of speech, etc. A common element to these, is that they

>express and demonstrate challenges with understanding sarcasm, irony, nonverbal cues, idioms, figures of speech, etc. A common element to these, is that they are either a bit sideways of a straightforward relationship or many times are being used directly to deceive. Basically, my impression is that autistic people and myself compared to others are by default worse at detecting “liars”. Most animals on the other hand, don’t try to deceive or control their communication methods in order to hide what they are really thinking. When they are happy, sad, or angry, they consistently display exactly those things. This is why I find it easy to emphasize with animals who have a toddler level of intelligence.

Terr_ 3y ago
> Most animals on the other hand, don’t try to deceive or control their communication methods in order to hide what they are really thinking. I'd challenge that assertion. It may be literally true if you allow "all animals" to be skewed by masses of beetles, but then it doesn't seem very relevant to the subject of human cognition. Conversely, animals that are related to us--or which have traits we consider intelligent--are often capable of deceiving others of the same species. Probably far more than we know of, given that to detect their deception, we'd first need to understand animal communication. Consider cuttlefish that communicate by skin coloration. They may lie by simultaneously sending contradictory messages on each side of their body towards different recipients.
- kikokikokiko 3y ago
  Chimpanzees engage in conspiracy and betrayal as a common feature in their societies. Domesticated animals may show humans what humans expect to see, that's all.
  - Terr_ 3y ago
    > Domesticated animals may show humans what humans expect to see, that's all. On that note, It's been shown that in a lab--the location, not the breed--that dogs can use deception to get treats. (Not a surprise to most dog-owners.)

Terr_ 3y ago

> Most animals on the other hand, don’t try to deceive or control their communication methods in order to hide what they are really thinking. I'd challenge that assertion. It may be literally true if you allow "all animals" to be skewed by masses of beetles, but then it doesn't seem very relevant to the subject of human cognition. Conversely, animals that are related to us--or which have traits we consider intelligent--are often capable of deceiving others of the same species. Probably far more than we know of, given that to detect their deception, we'd first need to understand animal communication. Consider cuttlefish that communicate by skin coloration. They may lie by simultaneously sending contradictory messages on each side of their body towards different recipients.

kikokikokiko 3y ago
Chimpanzees engage in conspiracy and betrayal as a common feature in their societies. Domesticated animals may show humans what humans expect to see, that's all.
- Terr_ 3y ago
  > Domesticated animals may show humans what humans expect to see, that's all. On that note, It's been shown that in a lab--the location, not the breed--that dogs can use deception to get treats. (Not a surprise to most dog-owners.)