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I mean I think his point still stands, if you want a meal in what could be loosely called western culinarily tradition made vegetarian or vegan you're asking to
by Spivak 3y ago
I mean I think his point still stands, if you want a meal in what could be loosely called western culinarily tradition made vegetarian or vegan you're asking to be disappointed.
There's an interesting lack of "respect" for lack of a better word when it comes to western dishes, you wouldn't go to an Indian restaurant and ask for a dish to be made with beef or without spices but people ask western chefs to make dishes without using the core elements that basically define western cuisine, meat and dairy is everything.
- dgfitz 3y agoThis is touching on the crux of it: entitlement. Unfortunately, entitlement is quite on brand for us westerners these days.
- delta_p_delta_x 3y ago> the core elements that basically define western cuisine, meat and dairy is everything It might be more accurate to say 'meat and dairy is everything in northern French cuisine', which Bourdain was a product of. Many Mediterranean cuisines are considerably more vegetarian-friendly: consider simple and fairly traditional Italian dishes like cacio e pepe, carciofi alla giudia, sugo all'arrabbiata, spaghetti aglio e olio, parmigiana melanzane, and pizza margherita/napoletana. That said, I get your point, and I wouldn't go to a steakhouse demanding good vegetarian food.
- antiframe 3y agoA core element of cacio e pepe /is/ dairy, though. While I agree that Mediterranean cuisines are more vegetarian friendly they do feature a lot of fish and dairy, so I don't know if it's a good counter example.
- ReptileMan 3y ago>consider simple and fairly traditional Italian dishes like cacio e pepe, carciofi alla giudia, sugo all'arrabbiata, spaghetti aglio e olio, parmigiana melanzane, and pizza margherita/napoletana. Steak fiorentina
- morsch 3y agoYou can't think of a single vegetarian dish in western cuisine that's non-disappointing? Wow.
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- jltsiren 3y agoThis could be a terminological issue. There used to be a lot of confusion around various kinds of vegetarianism a couple of decades ago. Then things basically settled, and "vegetarian" without further qualifiers became understood as "no meat" (and no fish and seafood). Dairy and eggs are allowed, unless specifically ruled out. Traditional western cuisine was largely vegetarian in this sense. Meat used to be an expensive luxury, and most people didn't eat it every day.
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