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If the article was from "people on the street journal" then I suspect it would be whistling a different tune.

by anotherhue 3y ago

bilvar 3y ago
Any actual criticisms of the article except for ad-hominems?
- hiddencost 3y ago
  Not necessary in this case. Taking the article seriously is demeaning.
- anotherhue 3y ago
  Sure, it falsely implies that electric cars and AI are the most important things for governments to promote. It does not make reference to functioning health care systems, pollution/environmental controls, workplace safety, or my personal favourite, more advanced political voting systems that are less prone to two-party duocracy/Diarchy (UK has this problem but thankfully solved it for the purposes of this comment by brexiting).
  - shuckles 3y ago
    Some of what you cited directly relate to well-being like healthcare and other items are inputs but unrelated like the political system. For those that directly relate: it’s pretty unclear that the EU as a whole does better on environmental protection or workplace safety than the US. Can you provide a source?
    - anotherhue 3y ago
      I'm not publishing an article on a major news site so my fact clearance rates are lower - that said some cursory searching showed better workplace safety results in the UK and EU on the order of 5 to 30% depending on the source (BLS has some data also). Wrt environmental protection, and the political aspect, I would answer that the withdrawal from the Paris agreement demonstrates both. Also: Workplace safety is connected to cost of care, and if a broken leg costs 10x as much to treat in the US, while simultaneously preventing the person from earning (and thus relying on benefits) then I believe the US would be a less than ideal place to experience that injury. Just for the curious, here are some reports from respective governments. I am not submitting them as evidence. US-BLS: ~3.5 deaths/100k https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf UK-HSE: ~0.5 deaths/100k. https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/assets/docs/fatalinjuries.pdf https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/assets/docs/fatalinjuries.... No doubt the criteria for measurement differ in ways that prevent a direct comparison.
shuckles 3y ago
The US has strong anti poverty programs and provided more generous pandemic aid than any European country. At some point, you have to consider street homelessness a lifestyle preference of the American political system. A lot of the people on the street in America would be in locked treatment facilities in Europe, but it seems like the American democratic process prefers the current solution. (Yes I understand a big part of this has to do with high rents and not mental illness, but even that is primarily caused by America’s adherence to the dysfunctional Anglo land use regulatory system. Its solution, to simplify, is less regulation not more. And the best schemes to copy from are in Asia not Europe.)

If the article was from "people on the street journal" then I suspect it would be whistling a different tune.

bilvar 3y ago

Any actual criticisms of the article except for ad-hominems?

hiddencost 3y ago
Not necessary in this case. Taking the article seriously is demeaning.
anotherhue 3y ago
Sure, it falsely implies that electric cars and AI are the most important things for governments to promote. It does not make reference to functioning health care systems, pollution/environmental controls, workplace safety, or my personal favourite, more advanced political voting systems that are less prone to two-party duocracy/Diarchy (UK has this problem but thankfully solved it for the purposes of this comment by brexiting).
- shuckles 3y ago
  Some of what you cited directly relate to well-being like healthcare and other items are inputs but unrelated like the political system. For those that directly relate: it’s pretty unclear that the EU as a whole does better on environmental protection or workplace safety than the US. Can you provide a source?
  - anotherhue 3y ago
    I'm not publishing an article on a major news site so my fact clearance rates are lower - that said some cursory searching showed better workplace safety results in the UK and EU on the order of 5 to 30% depending on the source (BLS has some data also). Wrt environmental protection, and the political aspect, I would answer that the withdrawal from the Paris agreement demonstrates both. Also: Workplace safety is connected to cost of care, and if a broken leg costs 10x as much to treat in the US, while simultaneously preventing the person from earning (and thus relying on benefits) then I believe the US would be a less than ideal place to experience that injury. Just for the curious, here are some reports from respective governments. I am not submitting them as evidence. US-BLS: ~3.5 deaths/100k https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf UK-HSE: ~0.5 deaths/100k. https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/assets/docs/fatalinjuries.pdf https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/assets/docs/fatalinjuries.... No doubt the criteria for measurement differ in ways that prevent a direct comparison.

shuckles 3y ago

The US has strong anti poverty programs and provided more generous pandemic aid than any European country. At some point, you have to consider street homelessness a lifestyle preference of the American political system. A lot of the people on the street in America would be in locked treatment facilities in Europe, but it seems like the American democratic process prefers the current solution. (Yes I understand a big part of this has to do with high rents and not mental illness, but even that is primarily caused by America’s adherence to the dysfunctional Anglo land use regulatory system. Its solution, to simplify, is less regulation not more. And the best schemes to copy from are in Asia not Europe.)