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Sounds like a failure of not enforcing a broken windows policy.
by kyrra 3y ago
Sounds like a failure of not enforcing a broken windows policy.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y agoNever a fan of suggested "solutions" that are laughably implausible. Even if you support public canings for everyone ever caught dropping a plastic bag, can we not pretend that something like that could ever be implemented in the Western world? Plastic bag bans can.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago>can we not pretend that something like that could ever be implemented in the Western world? it says a lot that we simply dismiss "don't break stuff" as am impossibility in the western world. Wonder what the Easter world does so differently.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y agoI was referring to a legal solution to plastic bag littering, which is what "broken windows theory" refers to. The differences in littering in, say, Japan, have nothing to do with legal differences, because they're cultural. Cultures differ, and they have benefits and downsides. Trying to implement a legal solution to bag littering in the US would work about as well as trying to implement a legal solution in India to get people to stay within their lane when they drive.
- throwawaymaths 3y agoA lot of times litter is not from littering. A home trash can's lid blows open in a strong wind and litter flies out. Trash escapes from an urban trash can. Trash flies out of the back of a garbage truck, etc.
- lolinder 3y agoThe biggest cause in my neighborhood is the pickup process itself: the machine lifts the can in the air, turns it upside down, shakes it, and hopes that it all makes it into the truck. A lot of smaller stuff doesn't make it in, especially disposable plastic bags, which are basically little parachutes.
- pfdietz 3y agoSo, maybe Ogden, Utah's cleanliness was due to bear-proof garbage containers?
- Wowfunhappy 3y agoHow do cities in Japan avoid these problems?
- davidmurdoch 3y agoThe people and culture.
- Wowfunhappy 3y agoHow does that help if a trash can lid gets blown off?
- davidmurdoch 3y agoI don't know, I haven't spent much time there and have only visited 3 major cities. But in each it was evident that they prioritize cleanliness and order, so I might guess that they generally use cans with better lids. At around 9pm in downtown Tokyo I stopped to watch a clean up crew scrubbing something of the sidewalk. So perhaps it's partly due to where their tax money goes.
- Wowfunhappy 3y agoTo be clear, I asked this question because I was considering the claim "a lot of times litter is not from littering." It occurred to me that, if this were true, you would expect culture to have less of an effect on the amount of litter in a particular city. I suppose tax dollars and trash can technology would also be a plausible explanation, but it leaves me less convinced.
- johnnyanmac 3y agoBecause Japan just has less trash can lids to blow off. https://livejapan.com/en/in-tokyo/in-pref-tokyo/in-shibuya/article-a0002380/ https://livejapan.com/en/in-tokyo/in-pref-tokyo/in-shibuya/a... And as you see with the design of their cans they aren't just holes with some plastic top loosely strewn on it. But yes, I'd chalk up a society used to carrying their trash until they find a sparsely spaced trash can "culture".