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HN is definitely going to remember that 14.4 is still in early beta. But Apple might forget about us and deliver broken software ONCE AGAIN

by zshrc 3y ago

freitzkriesler2 3y ago
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- mantas 3y ago
  I’ve a feeling this truly ended with the iPod. No more iPods and Apple software quality is going downhill pretty fast :(
  - treprinum 3y ago
    My top-specced 14" M3 Max has all kinds of weird issues I've never seen before - half of the screen going pink when I switch between local users too often, getting completely unresponsive with only power off helping, not mounting USB sticks by default with only some window appearing for a millisecond on the screen, battery lasting 5 hours in VSCode (!!!) etc.
    - KennyBlanken 3y ago
      You could, you know, take advantage of Apple's best-in-class support and service? Also: the 5 hours in vscode thing is almost certainly some extension you're running that is constantly spinning its wheels. This isn't hard to figure out - just look in Activity Monitor.
      - treprinum 3y ago
        Nothing shows up eating more than 4% CPU. Also when I go to sleep with battery at 100%, turn off the WiFi for the night and close the lid, I often find battery at around 30% the next morning. Don't tell me it's a user problem. I suspect 128GB RAM is eating too much power or something. I also refuse to visit Apple "geniuses" as they don't honor appointment times (fed up from waiting 2 hours until somebody talked to me) and then going through 30 minutes of trivial questions before they actually do something. Not mentioning they always wipe out drives when they "fix" something and I end up with some refurb motherboard that failed for somebody else before.
      - fullspectrumdev 3y ago
        Apple support has not been best in class for years now.
        akyuu 3y ago
        Is there any other laptop manufacturer that offers generally better support than Apple? I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested.
        fullspectrumdev 3y ago
        I mean, I’ve found Apple support has become incredibly disappointing in the last 5 or so years, and Lenovo support has actually improved, though you usually have to mail your device in. I’m legitimately unsure what changed in Apple to make their support go from “pretty damn good” to “honestly a waste of damn time”.
    - least 3y ago
      Not to say that the quality of OS updates has been stellar in the past several years, but Sonoma stands out as an especially buggy release. I've encountered a lot of weird bugs, including it occasionally becoming completely unresponsive, that I've not had on this particular machine before. This machine being a 16 inch M1 Max.
    - stephenr 3y ago
      That you mention a specific app in regards to battery life suggests it's more likely an app specific problem. I don't think it's a coincidence you're having poor battery life with an electron app.
      - treprinum 3y ago
        Surprisingly I don't have that issue on my other two Macbooks. Also WiFi goes randomly down without any notification and so does USB charging. M3 Max for $8000. One would expect something less messy for that price.
        stephenr 3y ago
        What model are the other MacBooks? Possibly it's something not optimised or even not compiled for arm. Wifi can be a very mixed bag, the usb-c charging issue sounds like something worth taking/sending it back for (assuming it's not something obvious like a crappy usb charging brick).
        treprinum 3y ago
        Other MacBooks are Intel and never drop WiFi. USB-C charger is the original 140W Apple one. If I send it back, I'll get a refurb mobo with another set of issues as returned by somebody else and not a new one, and all my data wiped out. I pay yearly AC+. I still hope some future OS release will fix it but I am not so sure.
        stephenr 3y ago
        If you're not willing to take it in to have what sounds like a hardware fault fixed under the warranty you're paying for and not using, I'm not really sure what you want, except something to complain about. Warranties exist for a reason, if you choose not to make use of it, that's on you, not the manufacturer.
        treprinum 3y ago
  - freitzkriesler2 3y ago
    It is, apparently no one can handle sarcasm on this forum.
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Counting down till the commenters start telling everyone to switch to Linux. Not that I disagree with them.
- neilv 3y ago
  https://www.debian.org/distrib/ https://www.debian.org/distrib/
  - badgersnake 3y ago
    Not much help if you’ve got an ARM Mac.
    - Astraco 3y ago
      You're welcome https://asahilinux.org/ https://asahilinux.org/
      - neilv 3y ago
        Also: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/M1 https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/M1
      - hu3 3y ago
        https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/M3-Series-Feature-Support https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/M3-Series-Feature-Su... A large list of things that don't work and are not even being worked on doesn't sound enticing. Things like HDMI, WiFi and Bluetooth don't work and are not being worked on.
        neilv 3y ago
        For anyone who doesn't make using Apple hardware the top priority, might be a lot easier to just find more-open laptop hardware that you like, and use stock Debian atop that.
KennyBlanken 3y ago
It's not "broken." Apple has been increasingly hostile to "traditional" file servers (dropping AFP support - AFP is still superior to SMB both performance and compatibility-wise) and non-iCloud file sync services. They also disabled third party cloud syncing to folders on external drives fairly recently. I'm blanking but there were other changes in Ventura related to third party cloud sync, too. There's a reason your iPhone/iPad defaults, every fucking time you try to save a file, to iCloud storage and the "default storage location" option was removed from preferences. Apple is taking the "frog in the pot of boiling water" approach, slowly pushing everyone toward iCloud file storage, despite it being a dogshit service with numerous problems because the dev team are more interested in coordinating their nail color to their McLaren (I wish I was joking.)
- CharlesW 3y ago
  > There's a reason your iPhone/iPad defaults, every fucking time you try to save a file, to iCloud storage and the "default storage location" option was removed from preferences. I assume you're right about Apple removing the preference, but I just shared a photo, picked "Save to Files" and it defaulted to Cryptomator. In case it's helpful to know, you can also turn off "iCloud Drive" as a Location.
- illiac786 3y ago
  TresorIt can synchronise file to and from folders on external drives just fine. Don't know why others don't want to implement it...

HN is definitely going to remember that 14.4 is still in early beta. But Apple might forget about us and deliver broken software ONCE AGAIN

by zshrc 3y ago

HN is definitely going to remember that 14.4 is still in early beta. But Apple might forget about us and deliver broken software ONCE AGAIN

freitzkriesler2 3y ago

[flagged]

mantas 3y ago
I’ve a feeling this truly ended with the iPod. No more iPods and Apple software quality is going downhill pretty fast :(
- treprinum 3y ago
  My top-specced 14" M3 Max has all kinds of weird issues I've never seen before - half of the screen going pink when I switch between local users too often, getting completely unresponsive with only power off helping, not mounting USB sticks by default with only some window appearing for a millisecond on the screen, battery lasting 5 hours in VSCode (!!!) etc.
  - KennyBlanken 3y ago
    You could, you know, take advantage of Apple's best-in-class support and service? Also: the 5 hours in vscode thing is almost certainly some extension you're running that is constantly spinning its wheels. This isn't hard to figure out - just look in Activity Monitor.
    - treprinum 3y ago
      Nothing shows up eating more than 4% CPU. Also when I go to sleep with battery at 100%, turn off the WiFi for the night and close the lid, I often find battery at around 30% the next morning. Don't tell me it's a user problem. I suspect 128GB RAM is eating too much power or something. I also refuse to visit Apple "geniuses" as they don't honor appointment times (fed up from waiting 2 hours until somebody talked to me) and then going through 30 minutes of trivial questions before they actually do something. Not mentioning they always wipe out drives when they "fix" something and I end up with some refurb motherboard that failed for somebody else before.
    - fullspectrumdev 3y ago
      Apple support has not been best in class for years now.
      - akyuu 3y ago
        Is there any other laptop manufacturer that offers generally better support than Apple? I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested.
        fullspectrumdev 3y ago
        I mean, I’ve found Apple support has become incredibly disappointing in the last 5 or so years, and Lenovo support has actually improved, though you usually have to mail your device in. I’m legitimately unsure what changed in Apple to make their support go from “pretty damn good” to “honestly a waste of damn time”.
  - least 3y ago
    Not to say that the quality of OS updates has been stellar in the past several years, but Sonoma stands out as an especially buggy release. I've encountered a lot of weird bugs, including it occasionally becoming completely unresponsive, that I've not had on this particular machine before. This machine being a 16 inch M1 Max.
  - stephenr 3y ago
    That you mention a specific app in regards to battery life suggests it's more likely an app specific problem. I don't think it's a coincidence you're having poor battery life with an electron app.
    - treprinum 3y ago
      Surprisingly I don't have that issue on my other two Macbooks. Also WiFi goes randomly down without any notification and so does USB charging. M3 Max for $8000. One would expect something less messy for that price.
      - stephenr 3y ago
        What model are the other MacBooks? Possibly it's something not optimised or even not compiled for arm. Wifi can be a very mixed bag, the usb-c charging issue sounds like something worth taking/sending it back for (assuming it's not something obvious like a crappy usb charging brick).
        treprinum 3y ago
        Other MacBooks are Intel and never drop WiFi. USB-C charger is the original 140W Apple one. If I send it back, I'll get a refurb mobo with another set of issues as returned by somebody else and not a new one, and all my data wiped out. I pay yearly AC+. I still hope some future OS release will fix it but I am not so sure.
        stephenr 3y ago
        If you're not willing to take it in to have what sounds like a hardware fault fixed under the warranty you're paying for and not using, I'm not really sure what you want, except something to complain about. Warranties exist for a reason, if you choose not to make use of it, that's on you, not the manufacturer.
        treprinum 3y ago
- freitzkriesler2 3y ago
  It is, apparently no one can handle sarcasm on this forum.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

Counting down till the commenters start telling everyone to switch to Linux. Not that I disagree with them.

neilv 3y ago
https://www.debian.org/distrib/ https://www.debian.org/distrib/
- badgersnake 3y ago
  Not much help if you’ve got an ARM Mac.
  - Astraco 3y ago
    You're welcome https://asahilinux.org/ https://asahilinux.org/
    - neilv 3y ago
      Also: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/M1 https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/M1
    - hu3 3y ago
      https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/M3-Series-Feature-Support https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/M3-Series-Feature-Su... A large list of things that don't work and are not even being worked on doesn't sound enticing. Things like HDMI, WiFi and Bluetooth don't work and are not being worked on.
      - neilv 3y ago
        For anyone who doesn't make using Apple hardware the top priority, might be a lot easier to just find more-open laptop hardware that you like, and use stock Debian atop that.

KennyBlanken 3y ago

It's not "broken." Apple has been increasingly hostile to "traditional" file servers (dropping AFP support - AFP is still superior to SMB both performance and compatibility-wise) and non-iCloud file sync services. They also disabled third party cloud syncing to folders on external drives fairly recently. I'm blanking but there were other changes in Ventura related to third party cloud sync, too. There's a reason your iPhone/iPad defaults, every fucking time you try to save a file, to iCloud storage and the "default storage location" option was removed from preferences. Apple is taking the "frog in the pot of boiling water" approach, slowly pushing everyone toward iCloud file storage, despite it being a dogshit service with numerous problems because the dev team are more interested in coordinating their nail color to their McLaren (I wish I was joking.)

CharlesW 3y ago
> There's a reason your iPhone/iPad defaults, every fucking time you try to save a file, to iCloud storage and the "default storage location" option was removed from preferences. I assume you're right about Apple removing the preference, but I just shared a photo, picked "Save to Files" and it defaulted to Cryptomator. In case it's helpful to know, you can also turn off "iCloud Drive" as a Location.
illiac786 3y ago
TresorIt can synchronise file to and from folders on external drives just fine. Don't know why others don't want to implement it...