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You’re inventing a problem though. There’s no overlap between car hating and tagging. Car tagging isn’t common at all and saying we have to enforce one to preve

by heyoni 3y ago

You’re inventing a problem though. There’s no overlap between car hating and tagging. Car tagging isn’t common at all and saying we have to enforce one to prevent the other is a scare tactic used to deploy aggressive forms of enforcement.

bko 3y ago
You're missing the point. The car comment was a bit of a tongue in cheek joke about an unfinished sky scraper being ugly and your car isn't offensive when plenty of people on Reddit find your car offensive. My point is that lawlessness breeds more lawlessness. I see it myself, when im in a neighborhood that's pristine, I act accordingly. I remember in Tokyo waiting for a walk to cross when there were no cars nearby or queuing to get on the subway, something unthinkable in NYC. Laws should be reasonable (e.g. littering, vandalism, can't tag other people's property) and widely enforced. We should condeme lawlessness without consideration of the victim and offending party
- heyoni 3y ago
  Enforcement is a high cost and that should be factored in and I’m not saying it should be legal to tag property that isn’t yours but the bystander effect should address concerns of lawlessness spreading to personal vehicles. Buildings and billboards get tagged because no one really cares about faceless conglomerates of real estate developers. It’s only natural that they don’t derive the same level of sympathy an individual would get if their car got spray painted.
  - RestlessMind 3y ago
    > no one really cares about faceless conglomerates of real estate developers. I don't care about faceless conglomerates but neither do I care about hooligans covering buildings in graffiti. It is possible to dislike both and a lot of people do.
- altairprime 3y ago
  Sometimes the lawmakers need condemning, though, and it’s their efforts that allowed the incomplete tower travesty to occur. We should condemn anti-social lawlessness — but whatever this may or may not be, it isn’t an intrinsic harm the social good.

by heyoni 3y ago

bko 3y ago

You're missing the point. The car comment was a bit of a tongue in cheek joke about an unfinished sky scraper being ugly and your car isn't offensive when plenty of people on Reddit find your car offensive. My point is that lawlessness breeds more lawlessness. I see it myself, when im in a neighborhood that's pristine, I act accordingly. I remember in Tokyo waiting for a walk to cross when there were no cars nearby or queuing to get on the subway, something unthinkable in NYC. Laws should be reasonable (e.g. littering, vandalism, can't tag other people's property) and widely enforced. We should condeme lawlessness without consideration of the victim and offending party

heyoni 3y ago
Enforcement is a high cost and that should be factored in and I’m not saying it should be legal to tag property that isn’t yours but the bystander effect should address concerns of lawlessness spreading to personal vehicles. Buildings and billboards get tagged because no one really cares about faceless conglomerates of real estate developers. It’s only natural that they don’t derive the same level of sympathy an individual would get if their car got spray painted.
- RestlessMind 3y ago
  > no one really cares about faceless conglomerates of real estate developers. I don't care about faceless conglomerates but neither do I care about hooligans covering buildings in graffiti. It is possible to dislike both and a lot of people do.
altairprime 3y ago
Sometimes the lawmakers need condemning, though, and it’s their efforts that allowed the incomplete tower travesty to occur. We should condemn anti-social lawlessness — but whatever this may or may not be, it isn’t an intrinsic harm the social good.