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My car isn’t towering over the city! It’s also a lame and easy target. A skyscraper is gonna earn some props that my minivan ain’t. Disregard for property is n

My car isn’t towering over the city! It’s also a lame and easy target. A skyscraper is gonna earn some props that my minivan ain’t. Disregard for property is not the motivating factor for these artists.

bko 3y ago
Head over to Reddit fuckcars. You'll find plenty of people that find your car offensive. God help you if you have an SUV. Doesn't matter what the motivating factor is. Maybe they are artists but when others see lawlessness is accepted and even applauded, theyll seize the opportunity.
- heyoni 3y ago
  You’re inventing a problem though. There’s no overlap between car hating and tagging. Car tagging isn’t common at all and saying we have to enforce one to prevent the other is a scare tactic used to deploy aggressive forms of enforcement.
  - bko 3y ago
    You're missing the point. The car comment was a bit of a tongue in cheek joke about an unfinished sky scraper being ugly and your car isn't offensive when plenty of people on Reddit find your car offensive. My point is that lawlessness breeds more lawlessness. I see it myself, when im in a neighborhood that's pristine, I act accordingly. I remember in Tokyo waiting for a walk to cross when there were no cars nearby or queuing to get on the subway, something unthinkable in NYC. Laws should be reasonable (e.g. littering, vandalism, can't tag other people's property) and widely enforced. We should condeme lawlessness without consideration of the victim and offending party
    - heyoni 3y ago
      Enforcement is a high cost and that should be factored in and I’m not saying it should be legal to tag property that isn’t yours but the bystander effect should address concerns of lawlessness spreading to personal vehicles. Buildings and billboards get tagged because no one really cares about faceless conglomerates of real estate developers. It’s only natural that they don’t derive the same level of sympathy an individual would get if their car got spray painted.
      - RestlessMind 3y ago
        > no one really cares about faceless conglomerates of real estate developers. I don't care about faceless conglomerates but neither do I care about hooligans covering buildings in graffiti. It is possible to dislike both and a lot of people do.
    - altairprime 3y ago
      Sometimes the lawmakers need condemning, though, and it’s their efforts that allowed the incomplete tower travesty to occur. We should condemn anti-social lawlessness — but whatever this may or may not be, it isn’t an intrinsic harm the social good.
hasty_pudding 3y ago
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- soganess 3y ago
  Tribal markings? Literally the definition of disrespect? With all politeness, maybe take a step back and consider what are you angry about. Also art is art (including actual 'tribal markings'). Banksy has been making street art for 30 years, they can't be the only tent-pole for the medium. Freezing art by gatekeeping who makes it and what it is suppose to look like is tantamount to killing it. Property rights are a part of our society and wanting them respected is important, but there is no reason to not see something cool for what it is.
  - hasty_pudding 3y ago
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- hasty_pudding 3y ago
  The downvotes from people waking up at 11am lol
  - dang_foolhate 3y ago
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tzs 3y ago
> Disregard for property is not the motivating factor for these artists. Probably true, but isn't that true for nearly all property crime? Very few bicycle thieves for example are motivated by disregard for the cyclist's property. They are motivated because they want the money that they can get for the bike. Same with car thieves, bank robbers, pickpockets, and purse snatchers.
notyourwork 3y ago
Motivation has nothing to do with it. Destroying someone else’s property is not something I’d support society doubling down on. Saying your car doesn’t count is horse pucky.

bko 3y ago

Head over to Reddit fuckcars. You'll find plenty of people that find your car offensive. God help you if you have an SUV. Doesn't matter what the motivating factor is. Maybe they are artists but when others see lawlessness is accepted and even applauded, theyll seize the opportunity.

heyoni 3y ago
You’re inventing a problem though. There’s no overlap between car hating and tagging. Car tagging isn’t common at all and saying we have to enforce one to prevent the other is a scare tactic used to deploy aggressive forms of enforcement.
- bko 3y ago
  You're missing the point. The car comment was a bit of a tongue in cheek joke about an unfinished sky scraper being ugly and your car isn't offensive when plenty of people on Reddit find your car offensive. My point is that lawlessness breeds more lawlessness. I see it myself, when im in a neighborhood that's pristine, I act accordingly. I remember in Tokyo waiting for a walk to cross when there were no cars nearby or queuing to get on the subway, something unthinkable in NYC. Laws should be reasonable (e.g. littering, vandalism, can't tag other people's property) and widely enforced. We should condeme lawlessness without consideration of the victim and offending party
  - heyoni 3y ago
    Enforcement is a high cost and that should be factored in and I’m not saying it should be legal to tag property that isn’t yours but the bystander effect should address concerns of lawlessness spreading to personal vehicles. Buildings and billboards get tagged because no one really cares about faceless conglomerates of real estate developers. It’s only natural that they don’t derive the same level of sympathy an individual would get if their car got spray painted.
    - RestlessMind 3y ago
      > no one really cares about faceless conglomerates of real estate developers. I don't care about faceless conglomerates but neither do I care about hooligans covering buildings in graffiti. It is possible to dislike both and a lot of people do.
  - altairprime 3y ago
    Sometimes the lawmakers need condemning, though, and it’s their efforts that allowed the incomplete tower travesty to occur. We should condemn anti-social lawlessness — but whatever this may or may not be, it isn’t an intrinsic harm the social good.

hasty_pudding 3y ago

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soganess 3y ago
Tribal markings? Literally the definition of disrespect? With all politeness, maybe take a step back and consider what are you angry about. Also art is art (including actual 'tribal markings'). Banksy has been making street art for 30 years, they can't be the only tent-pole for the medium. Freezing art by gatekeeping who makes it and what it is suppose to look like is tantamount to killing it. Property rights are a part of our society and wanting them respected is important, but there is no reason to not see something cool for what it is.
- hasty_pudding 3y ago
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hasty_pudding 3y ago
The downvotes from people waking up at 11am lol
- dang_foolhate 3y ago
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tzs 3y ago

> Disregard for property is not the motivating factor for these artists. Probably true, but isn't that true for nearly all property crime? Very few bicycle thieves for example are motivated by disregard for the cyclist's property. They are motivated because they want the money that they can get for the bike. Same with car thieves, bank robbers, pickpockets, and purse snatchers.

notyourwork 3y ago

Motivation has nothing to do with it. Destroying someone else’s property is not something I’d support society doubling down on. Saying your car doesn’t count is horse pucky.