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Given that homelessness is at record highs, I wouldn't worry too much about those with more homes than they can use; I think they'll be OK.

pxmpxm 3y ago
And there it is. All fun and games till they come for your stuff, with the same argument. As someone with a first hand experience in that, I find it extremely peculiar these arguments are almost elusively made by 30 something year old white kids that grew up in upper middle class US suburbs.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  You're not exactly over the target, but it is a bit novel to see an acknowledgement of white privilege mixed in with what is more traditionally a conservative concern about property.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    the vast majority of minority communities (in the USA) are in fact conservative on property crime and law an order. They also support increased law enforcement (they just don't want cops to be less racist). Most modern disestablishmentarian movements simply exploit minorities and claim to speak for them, but dont actually represent their views.
logifail 3y ago
> Given that homelessness is at record highs, I wouldn't worry too much about those with more homes than they can use [..] Well, apart from that homelessness is not just a housing problem[0], and that homeless people in Western countries are substantially more likely to have alcohol and drug dependence than the age-matched general population in those countries, and the prevalences of psychotic illnesses and personality disorders are higher.[1] Of course there is the idea of "housing first"[2], 'the idea [to] help people find permanent housing right away, without conditioning this housing on sobriety, mental health treatment, employment, or anything else'. ...aaand then it ends up being political. [0] Homelessness Is Not Just a Housing Problem https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605901/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605901/ [1] The Prevalence of Mental Disorders among the Homeless in Western Countries: Systematic Review and Meta-Regression Analysis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2592351/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2592351/ [2] https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/20/housing-first-the-counterintuitive-method-for-solving-urban-homelessness https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/20/housing-first...
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  As a mentally ill homeless person myself, I don’t doubt that there is some connection. What I would question is if the current increase in homelessness corresponds to an increase in mental illness.

pxmpxm 3y ago

And there it is. All fun and games till they come for your stuff, with the same argument. As someone with a first hand experience in that, I find it extremely peculiar these arguments are almost elusively made by 30 something year old white kids that grew up in upper middle class US suburbs.

hotpotamus 3y ago
You're not exactly over the target, but it is a bit novel to see an acknowledgement of white privilege mixed in with what is more traditionally a conservative concern about property.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  the vast majority of minority communities (in the USA) are in fact conservative on property crime and law an order. They also support increased law enforcement (they just don't want cops to be less racist). Most modern disestablishmentarian movements simply exploit minorities and claim to speak for them, but dont actually represent their views.

logifail 3y ago

> Given that homelessness is at record highs, I wouldn't worry too much about those with more homes than they can use [..] Well, apart from that homelessness is not just a housing problem[0], and that homeless people in Western countries are substantially more likely to have alcohol and drug dependence than the age-matched general population in those countries, and the prevalences of psychotic illnesses and personality disorders are higher.[1] Of course there is the idea of "housing first"[2], 'the idea [to] help people find permanent housing right away, without conditioning this housing on sobriety, mental health treatment, employment, or anything else'. ...aaand then it ends up being political. [0] Homelessness Is Not Just a Housing Problem https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605901/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605901/ [1] The Prevalence of Mental Disorders among the Homeless in Western Countries: Systematic Review and Meta-Regression Analysis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2592351/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2592351/ [2] https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/20/housing-first-the-counterintuitive-method-for-solving-urban-homelessness https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/20/housing-first...

hotpotamus 3y ago
As a mentally ill homeless person myself, I don’t doubt that there is some connection. What I would question is if the current increase in homelessness corresponds to an increase in mental illness.