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Is there anyone currently residing in it? If the reason that it is disused is merely some bureaucratic snafu, then that actually feels even more dystopian than

Is there anyone currently residing in it? If the reason that it is disused is merely some bureaucratic snafu, then that actually feels even more dystopian than some run-of-the-mill abandonment.

pxmpxm 3y ago
> currently residing in it? > run-of-the-mill abandonment That's a lovely way to try to frame the narrative, take that all the way through and every vacation home or place for sale/ready is "abandoned" and therefore morally acceptable for someone to take. Double plus good. Don't let the fact the Oceanwide lot alone being worth $100m plus stop though, though. Definitely abandoned, no one likes money.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  Given that homelessness is at record highs, I wouldn't worry too much about those with more homes than they can use; I think they'll be OK.
  - pxmpxm 3y ago
    And there it is. All fun and games till they come for your stuff, with the same argument. As someone with a first hand experience in that, I find it extremely peculiar these arguments are almost elusively made by 30 something year old white kids that grew up in upper middle class US suburbs.
    - hotpotamus 3y ago
      You're not exactly over the target, but it is a bit novel to see an acknowledgement of white privilege mixed in with what is more traditionally a conservative concern about property.
      - s1artibartfast 3y ago
        the vast majority of minority communities (in the USA) are in fact conservative on property crime and law an order. They also support increased law enforcement (they just don't want cops to be less racist). Most modern disestablishmentarian movements simply exploit minorities and claim to speak for them, but dont actually represent their views.
  - logifail 3y ago
    > Given that homelessness is at record highs, I wouldn't worry too much about those with more homes than they can use [..] Well, apart from that homelessness is not just a housing problem[0], and that homeless people in Western countries are substantially more likely to have alcohol and drug dependence than the age-matched general population in those countries, and the prevalences of psychotic illnesses and personality disorders are higher.[1] Of course there is the idea of "housing first"[2], 'the idea [to] help people find permanent housing right away, without conditioning this housing on sobriety, mental health treatment, employment, or anything else'. ...aaand then it ends up being political. [0] Homelessness Is Not Just a Housing Problem https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605901/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605901/ [1] The Prevalence of Mental Disorders among the Homeless in Western Countries: Systematic Review and Meta-Regression Analysis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2592351/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2592351/ [2] https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/20/housing-first-the-counterintuitive-method-for-solving-urban-homelessness https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/20/housing-first...
    - hotpotamus 3y ago
      As a mentally ill homeless person myself, I don’t doubt that there is some connection. What I would question is if the current increase in homelessness corresponds to an increase in mental illness.
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  I think we should tax the heck out of vacation homes and those that are otherwise just sitting empty.
- kevinventullo 3y ago
  If no one has lived in the vacation home for five years and it’s currently hosting squatters, then yes I would call that abandoned.

Is there anyone currently residing in it? If the reason that it is disused is merely some bureaucratic snafu, then that actually feels even more dystopian than some run-of-the-mill abandonment.

pxmpxm 3y ago

> currently residing in it? > run-of-the-mill abandonment That's a lovely way to try to frame the narrative, take that all the way through and every vacation home or place for sale/ready is "abandoned" and therefore morally acceptable for someone to take. Double plus good. Don't let the fact the Oceanwide lot alone being worth $100m plus stop though, though. Definitely abandoned, no one likes money.

hotpotamus 3y ago
Given that homelessness is at record highs, I wouldn't worry too much about those with more homes than they can use; I think they'll be OK.
- pxmpxm 3y ago
  And there it is. All fun and games till they come for your stuff, with the same argument. As someone with a first hand experience in that, I find it extremely peculiar these arguments are almost elusively made by 30 something year old white kids that grew up in upper middle class US suburbs.
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    You're not exactly over the target, but it is a bit novel to see an acknowledgement of white privilege mixed in with what is more traditionally a conservative concern about property.
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      the vast majority of minority communities (in the USA) are in fact conservative on property crime and law an order. They also support increased law enforcement (they just don't want cops to be less racist). Most modern disestablishmentarian movements simply exploit minorities and claim to speak for them, but dont actually represent their views.
- logifail 3y ago
  > Given that homelessness is at record highs, I wouldn't worry too much about those with more homes than they can use [..] Well, apart from that homelessness is not just a housing problem[0], and that homeless people in Western countries are substantially more likely to have alcohol and drug dependence than the age-matched general population in those countries, and the prevalences of psychotic illnesses and personality disorders are higher.[1] Of course there is the idea of "housing first"[2], 'the idea [to] help people find permanent housing right away, without conditioning this housing on sobriety, mental health treatment, employment, or anything else'. ...aaand then it ends up being political. [0] Homelessness Is Not Just a Housing Problem https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605901/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605901/ [1] The Prevalence of Mental Disorders among the Homeless in Western Countries: Systematic Review and Meta-Regression Analysis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2592351/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2592351/ [2] https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/20/housing-first-the-counterintuitive-method-for-solving-urban-homelessness https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/20/housing-first...
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    As a mentally ill homeless person myself, I don’t doubt that there is some connection. What I would question is if the current increase in homelessness corresponds to an increase in mental illness.
bigbillheck 3y ago
I think we should tax the heck out of vacation homes and those that are otherwise just sitting empty.
kevinventullo 3y ago
If no one has lived in the vacation home for five years and it’s currently hosting squatters, then yes I would call that abandoned.