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> scammers do bulk video calls to parents/grandparent pretending to be the kids saying they are in trouble and need $$$ ASAP Especially when a high percentage

by _lvbh 3y ago

> scammers do bulk video calls to parents/grandparent pretending to be the kids saying they are in trouble and need $$$ ASAP Especially when a high percentage of people post their face and voice on social media. I find this especially crazy in the age of AI. I trained a Stable Diffusion LORA with photos of a friend and showed it to them (with permission) and they were completely shocked. Showed it to one of their friends and they were fooled for at least a minute and took some careful looks to find discrepancies

ghaff 3y ago
The reality is that if you speak at a conference there's a decent chance there's video of that on YouTube. If you have any sort of public presence as part of your job, your voice and likeness are probably out there whether you put it out yourself or not. Keeping yourself anonymous isn't compatible with a lot of even moderately senior-level jobs out there.
- mprovost 3y ago
  CFOs of public companies typically do quarterly earnings conference calls with Wall St. So there's potentially plenty of recordings of their voices using the same kinds of language that it would take to fake something like this.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    One of the tradeoffs you make as you move up the ladder is that you increasingly can't be an anonymous person. That may be a good tradeoff or bad depending upon your perspective.
  - internet101010 3y ago
    You would think that executives would clone their own voices for the earnings call script readings like a lot of video essay YouTubers do now. But no, they still use terrible conference call systems for earnings calls rather than decent microphones that would be used in a podcast. That could actually be a silver lining here when it comes to creating quality training data.
- thfuran 3y ago
  I'd guess that approximately 0% of moderately senior level jobs involve ever speaking at a conference or other fairly public and recorded venue. Company-internal training videos or recorded meetings are more common, but that's a far narrower attack surface.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    You actually don’t think that even mid-level execs much less lower-level people who want to advance in part by speaking at events don’t end up appearing on video? I know I’m on plenty of it.
    - thfuran 3y ago
      People speaking at events obviously often end up appearing on video. Most people don't speak at events.
  - albert_e 3y ago
    go to the YouTube channels of companies like AWS, Azure, GCP --they publish 10 to 30 minute videos of various employees, from product managers to architects etc doing explainers on various topics, products and services they offer. More generally --the billions of hours and growing of audio video on YouTube, TikTok, and other platforms -- is literally someone in real life (most cases), likely some employee, that could be or become a middle manager somewhere.
    - thfuran 3y ago
      >go to the YouTube channels of companies like AWS, Azure, GCP --they publish 10 to 30 minute videos of various employees, from product managers to architects etc doing explainers on various topics 1. Most companies don't do that. 2. AWS, for example, has what, 100k employees? What percentage of them are actually featured in those videos? >More generally --the billions of hours and growing of audio video on YouTube, TikTok, and other platforms -- is literally someone in real life (most cases), likely some employee, that could be or become a middle manager somewhere. A vanishingly small percentage of that content is generated as part of that middle management job. Yes, many people choose to place themselves on publicly accessible video, but it mostly isn't part of a mid level office job, so not doing so isn't incompatible with holding such a position.
- cryptonector 3y ago
  LockPickingLawyer manages.
- denton-scratch 3y ago
  I once told my colleagues that I didn't think they could find a photo of me on the web. 5 minutes later, one of them came up with a pic: it was a group photo of the company staff, taken a few weeks earlier (with me skulking at the back; I never wanted to be in the photo). It was in an article on the company blog.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    Volume and lack of metadata is effective anonymity for most people in most circumstances if they've avoided doing anything that creates a public presence. But most people probably have photos at least on the web even if they didn't put them there.
NoPicklez 3y ago
I dont think its "crazy". There has been little issue for most people having photos of themselves online on social media. If people want a photo of you they will find one.
RScholar 3y ago
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by _lvbh 3y ago

ghaff 3y ago

The reality is that if you speak at a conference there's a decent chance there's video of that on YouTube. If you have any sort of public presence as part of your job, your voice and likeness are probably out there whether you put it out yourself or not. Keeping yourself anonymous isn't compatible with a lot of even moderately senior-level jobs out there.

mprovost 3y ago
CFOs of public companies typically do quarterly earnings conference calls with Wall St. So there's potentially plenty of recordings of their voices using the same kinds of language that it would take to fake something like this.
- ghaff 3y ago
  One of the tradeoffs you make as you move up the ladder is that you increasingly can't be an anonymous person. That may be a good tradeoff or bad depending upon your perspective.
- internet101010 3y ago
  You would think that executives would clone their own voices for the earnings call script readings like a lot of video essay YouTubers do now. But no, they still use terrible conference call systems for earnings calls rather than decent microphones that would be used in a podcast. That could actually be a silver lining here when it comes to creating quality training data.
thfuran 3y ago
I'd guess that approximately 0% of moderately senior level jobs involve ever speaking at a conference or other fairly public and recorded venue. Company-internal training videos or recorded meetings are more common, but that's a far narrower attack surface.
- ghaff 3y ago
  You actually don’t think that even mid-level execs much less lower-level people who want to advance in part by speaking at events don’t end up appearing on video? I know I’m on plenty of it.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    People speaking at events obviously often end up appearing on video. Most people don't speak at events.
- albert_e 3y ago
  go to the YouTube channels of companies like AWS, Azure, GCP --they publish 10 to 30 minute videos of various employees, from product managers to architects etc doing explainers on various topics, products and services they offer. More generally --the billions of hours and growing of audio video on YouTube, TikTok, and other platforms -- is literally someone in real life (most cases), likely some employee, that could be or become a middle manager somewhere.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    >go to the YouTube channels of companies like AWS, Azure, GCP --they publish 10 to 30 minute videos of various employees, from product managers to architects etc doing explainers on various topics 1. Most companies don't do that. 2. AWS, for example, has what, 100k employees? What percentage of them are actually featured in those videos? >More generally --the billions of hours and growing of audio video on YouTube, TikTok, and other platforms -- is literally someone in real life (most cases), likely some employee, that could be or become a middle manager somewhere. A vanishingly small percentage of that content is generated as part of that middle management job. Yes, many people choose to place themselves on publicly accessible video, but it mostly isn't part of a mid level office job, so not doing so isn't incompatible with holding such a position.
cryptonector 3y ago
LockPickingLawyer manages.
denton-scratch 3y ago
I once told my colleagues that I didn't think they could find a photo of me on the web. 5 minutes later, one of them came up with a pic: it was a group photo of the company staff, taken a few weeks earlier (with me skulking at the back; I never wanted to be in the photo). It was in an article on the company blog.
- ghaff 3y ago
  Volume and lack of metadata is effective anonymity for most people in most circumstances if they've avoided doing anything that creates a public presence. But most people probably have photos at least on the web even if they didn't put them there.

NoPicklez 3y ago

I dont think its "crazy". There has been little issue for most people having photos of themselves online on social media. If people want a photo of you they will find one.

RScholar 3y ago

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