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Its a car. You turn the wheel and press the two buttons. I've beaten spelunky 1, and 2. Im also sporty and coordinated. I know what good motor skills look and

Its a car. You turn the wheel and press the two buttons. I've beaten spelunky 1, and 2. Im also sporty and coordinated. I know what good motor skills look and feel like, and what being bad at something feels like. If there is a suspicion of skill loss in the population, i dont know why so many people in this thread would blindly accept that. We should all put our good boy skeptic scientist hats on. Are the changes in chrash severity and frequency even for all types of people? Doubtful. In what age ranges and occupations are the biggest changes in. "People crash more now because sudden population wide skill loss" doesnt even pass the basic sanity test. Im gonna need some evidence.

sokoloff 3y ago
> Its a car. You turn the wheel and press the two buttons. Given that summary, I'm not surprised that you cannot detect any degradation in your driving skill during a period of not practicing.
- noirbot 3y ago
  I don't think it's degradation any more than my skills at golf or basketball degrade in the 6 months between times I play either of them. I'm the baseline level of good enough that I'm competent, but I definitely don't have the skills of someone who practices either daily.
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    Right, and you dont have to be a pro stunt driver to make it to work every day without dying. I honestly dont know what hes getting at. Actually I think most people are significantly safer driving in a way that completely removes opportunity for skill expression. Waiting for other drivers, going normal speeds, not doing something else while driving, etc. Driving should be pretty unskillfull and boring if safe.
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    > definitely don't have the skills of someone who practices either daily And that is exactly the premise of one proposed mechanism by which serious accident rates (and insured losses) may have increased during a period when a great many people who previously practiced something daily then did not do so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39247101 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39247101
    - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
      We get the concept, theres just no given evidence and it doesnt pass the smell test. I havent ridden a bike in years i bet im exactly as "skilled" as the last time i was on it. Driving is just not a skill you get worse at if you dont do it for two years. Ive done it, and felt no difference.
      - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
        > I havent ridden a bike in years i bet im exactly as "skilled" as the last time i was on it. I doubt that but the question is whether or not you're competent enough to ride a bike and how quickly can you get back to that level of skill. We all know the answer is that it wouldn't take long at all, it's literally why the phrase "just like riding a bike" exists.
        wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
        What do you mean you doubt that. Thats obnoxious. this is simply a fact. Ive got a bike downstairs I could go ride it, one handed, no handed, pop a wheelie just like 15 years ago. My dad is in his fifties and i bet the same applies for him but hed complain about his wrists. If the skill level takes ten seconds to reachieve I dont really consider that skill loss. Same for driving. Americans spend an insane amount of time driving, tens of thousands of hours from a young age. This is just not a skill that obviously weakens in any meaningful way if you dont do it for a year. I need hard evidence, not just your unreasonable contrarianism.
        3y ago
- wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
  Thats vague and comes off condescending, and also just doesnt make any sense. Care to elaborate?

sokoloff 3y ago

> Its a car. You turn the wheel and press the two buttons. Given that summary, I'm not surprised that you cannot detect any degradation in your driving skill during a period of not practicing.

noirbot 3y ago
I don't think it's degradation any more than my skills at golf or basketball degrade in the 6 months between times I play either of them. I'm the baseline level of good enough that I'm competent, but I definitely don't have the skills of someone who practices either daily.
- wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
  Right, and you dont have to be a pro stunt driver to make it to work every day without dying. I honestly dont know what hes getting at. Actually I think most people are significantly safer driving in a way that completely removes opportunity for skill expression. Waiting for other drivers, going normal speeds, not doing something else while driving, etc. Driving should be pretty unskillfull and boring if safe.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  > definitely don't have the skills of someone who practices either daily And that is exactly the premise of one proposed mechanism by which serious accident rates (and insured losses) may have increased during a period when a great many people who previously practiced something daily then did not do so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39247101 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39247101
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    We get the concept, theres just no given evidence and it doesnt pass the smell test. I havent ridden a bike in years i bet im exactly as "skilled" as the last time i was on it. Driving is just not a skill you get worse at if you dont do it for two years. Ive done it, and felt no difference.
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      > I havent ridden a bike in years i bet im exactly as "skilled" as the last time i was on it. I doubt that but the question is whether or not you're competent enough to ride a bike and how quickly can you get back to that level of skill. We all know the answer is that it wouldn't take long at all, it's literally why the phrase "just like riding a bike" exists.
      - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
        What do you mean you doubt that. Thats obnoxious. this is simply a fact. Ive got a bike downstairs I could go ride it, one handed, no handed, pop a wheelie just like 15 years ago. My dad is in his fifties and i bet the same applies for him but hed complain about his wrists. If the skill level takes ten seconds to reachieve I dont really consider that skill loss. Same for driving. Americans spend an insane amount of time driving, tens of thousands of hours from a young age. This is just not a skill that obviously weakens in any meaningful way if you dont do it for a year. I need hard evidence, not just your unreasonable contrarianism.
        3y ago
wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
Thats vague and comes off condescending, and also just doesnt make any sense. Care to elaborate?