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> The productivity applications of the AVP are obviously not aimed at a single full screen terminal user like me. From initial playing around with mine, I woul

> The productivity applications of the AVP are obviously not aimed at a single full screen terminal user like me. From initial playing around with mine, I would say the strength of the device (which the OS doesn't completely lean into yet, but I would bet improvements are in the works for visionOS 2) is the "spatial" part, and I suspect that's the whole reason for its emphasis in the marketing. That is to say, imagine your terminal as a floating window, but you've also got other windows arranged around your home and office, not just clustered at a desk. Reminders floating near your fridge or break room, weather forecasts near the coatrack, calendar with upcoming events on a wall, Kindle or Books.app floating next to your couch... Obviously it's a really, really expensive device (and a somewhat uncomfortable one) just to do that kind of thing with, but if you cross your eyes and stare into the future I think you can see the path towards much more refined devices that fill the role of letting you have "virtual stuff" in the same way that you might hang a clock on your wall today.

schmichael 3y ago
I am not going to walk around all day in a headset. Everything you describe is AR, not VR. A HUD in my glasses would be fantastic but a completely different product than an immersive VR headset.
- crooked-v 3y ago
  > in a headset That's why I mentioned "much more refined devices". To me it seems obvious that Apple made a headset only because that's the minimum amount of hardware needed, right now, for the functionality they want. What they really want is "Apple Glasses", but they're willing to set money on fire for however long it takes to get there, building out the full-featured software ecosystem along the way so that by the time the mass market likes the idea they've already completely conquered the niche.
- ykonstant 3y ago
  I am still waiting for Dennou Coil to become reality...
sureglymop 3y ago
Having a tiling window manager and usually a single terminal window open, that spatial part doesn't seem beneficial to me. I can see why it is cool though!
hmottestad 3y ago
In the Wall Street Journal review, Joanna Stern managed to put two timers on top of two different pots while she was cooking with the headset on. Was pretty cool. I would assume that the next iteration for the Mac and AVP integration would be to break out the windows from the Mac and place them anywhere, unconstrained by the concept of a screen.
- al_borland 3y ago
  The timer thing was the most impressive and useful thing I’ve seen so far. Which in a way is kind of sad, but it does hint at where things can go in the future. The big leap that still need to be made is the jump from VR to AR, and much smaller. I think AR will make the idea of people wearing this stuff all the time much more socially acceptable. I can’t see an average person putting on the current AVP to cook dinner.
  - deng 3y ago
    I'm really struggling here: aside from baking and pressure cooking, why would you ever need a timer for cooking? Is that a cultural thing? Don't you guys see and taste when things are done? (And for pressure cooking, just get an InstantPot, it's cheaper and you don't have to wear it in front of your eyes.)
    - phatfish 3y ago
      Why would you need a timer for pressure cooking? Don't you just stand there staring at it counting the whistles?
    - justsomehnguy 3y ago
      Not the OP, but right now I set a timer on my $200 phone so I can shitpos^W engage in the comments here. I don't need to watch the pot, I don't want to watch the pot. And my pressure cooker has a built-in timer so aside of the initial check what it did got the required pressure I don't need to bother with it at all.
      - 3y ago
deng 3y ago
> That is to say, imagine your terminal as a floating window, but you've also got other windows arranged around your home and office, not just clustered at a desk. Reminders floating near your fridge or break room, weather forecasts near the coatrack, calendar with upcoming events on a wall, Kindle or Books.app floating next to your couch... I'm imagining it and I'm not impressed. Post-its on fridges work fine, and why would I ever walk to my calendar or weather information when I have everything right here in my pocket? That sounds like a downgrade. Regarding replacing the Kindle: while I love my Kobo, most people still prefer physical books over ebooks, so I don't see it. I know I know, people said the same about the iPod, the iPhone etc., but I was not one of them (yep, I'm old). (EDIT: I was highly dismissive of the AppleWatch and EarPods, but I think their success are more because of fashion. I kind of doubt that the AVP will succeed because it'll be fashionable to sport one on your head, but as just said, I was wrong before...)
zeusk 3y ago
This is already possible in 1.0 https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1ai37t7/working_in_the_vision_pro/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1ai37t7/working_...
acjohnson55 3y ago
I have a lot more faith in spatial computing if it can be more like Minority Report, where we have pervasive screens and projections in the environment, rather than AR.

schmichael 3y ago

I am not going to walk around all day in a headset. Everything you describe is AR, not VR. A HUD in my glasses would be fantastic but a completely different product than an immersive VR headset.

crooked-v 3y ago
> in a headset That's why I mentioned "much more refined devices". To me it seems obvious that Apple made a headset only because that's the minimum amount of hardware needed, right now, for the functionality they want. What they really want is "Apple Glasses", but they're willing to set money on fire for however long it takes to get there, building out the full-featured software ecosystem along the way so that by the time the mass market likes the idea they've already completely conquered the niche.
ykonstant 3y ago
I am still waiting for Dennou Coil to become reality...

sureglymop 3y ago

Having a tiling window manager and usually a single terminal window open, that spatial part doesn't seem beneficial to me. I can see why it is cool though!

hmottestad 3y ago

In the Wall Street Journal review, Joanna Stern managed to put two timers on top of two different pots while she was cooking with the headset on. Was pretty cool. I would assume that the next iteration for the Mac and AVP integration would be to break out the windows from the Mac and place them anywhere, unconstrained by the concept of a screen.

al_borland 3y ago
The timer thing was the most impressive and useful thing I’ve seen so far. Which in a way is kind of sad, but it does hint at where things can go in the future. The big leap that still need to be made is the jump from VR to AR, and much smaller. I think AR will make the idea of people wearing this stuff all the time much more socially acceptable. I can’t see an average person putting on the current AVP to cook dinner.
- deng 3y ago
  I'm really struggling here: aside from baking and pressure cooking, why would you ever need a timer for cooking? Is that a cultural thing? Don't you guys see and taste when things are done? (And for pressure cooking, just get an InstantPot, it's cheaper and you don't have to wear it in front of your eyes.)
  - phatfish 3y ago
    Why would you need a timer for pressure cooking? Don't you just stand there staring at it counting the whistles?
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    Not the OP, but right now I set a timer on my $200 phone so I can shitpos^W engage in the comments here. I don't need to watch the pot, I don't want to watch the pot. And my pressure cooker has a built-in timer so aside of the initial check what it did got the required pressure I don't need to bother with it at all.
    - 3y ago

deng 3y ago

> That is to say, imagine your terminal as a floating window, but you've also got other windows arranged around your home and office, not just clustered at a desk. Reminders floating near your fridge or break room, weather forecasts near the coatrack, calendar with upcoming events on a wall, Kindle or Books.app floating next to your couch... I'm imagining it and I'm not impressed. Post-its on fridges work fine, and why would I ever walk to my calendar or weather information when I have everything right here in my pocket? That sounds like a downgrade. Regarding replacing the Kindle: while I love my Kobo, most people still prefer physical books over ebooks, so I don't see it. I know I know, people said the same about the iPod, the iPhone etc., but I was not one of them (yep, I'm old). (EDIT: I was highly dismissive of the AppleWatch and EarPods, but I think their success are more because of fashion. I kind of doubt that the AVP will succeed because it'll be fashionable to sport one on your head, but as just said, I was wrong before...)

zeusk 3y ago

This is already possible in 1.0 https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1ai37t7/working_in_the_vision_pro/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1ai37t7/working_...

acjohnson55 3y ago

I have a lot more faith in spatial computing if it can be more like Minority Report, where we have pervasive screens and projections in the environment, rather than AR.